I dread the day

[bluegoose]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I think it says a parent of the boy. Not any parent. that wouldn't make any sense.

Of course if wards choose not to follow the handbook, and they have the approval of their local leaders and parents--more power to you.

I just so happened to have my handbook with me at work today. It says (paraphrased because I type so slowly):

- They are allowed 3 - one night campouts per year.
- "Fathers are invited and encouraged to participate in the overnight camping experiences with their sons and with boys whose fathers cannot attend. All overnight camps must include at least two adults."
- They should not go on the same campouts as the older scouts.

I actually thought it said, as creekster mentioned, that dads are required to attend. But its clearly just recommended, not required. Our ward has done it both ways, depending on who's in charge.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

SU what happened to your older kids? You never talk about them. I figure something terrible happened to them, or they turned out to be terrible disappoints, i.e. returned missionary, married in temple, etc.

On the contrary. They are 18 and 13 year old, hard working, clean living girls, attending Bainbridge Island's first-rate public schools. I don't discern any hazard they will marry RM's, though the older one is considering the U of U for college. The older one is a senior in HS with a boyfriend who gained early admission in UW's bioengineering department and played in the Little League world series tournament. She's applying to colleges now. So far the main obstacle they have had in life is that they are too damn good looking for their own good, and I really mean that. Like your daughter appears destined to become, they are Eurasian drop-dead beauties. I've heard the view expressed that there comes a point where good looks take the form of diminishing returns for girls and I'm afraid that's true. I've not succeeded yet in getting them to rap with me about War and Peace or Dostoyevsky if that's what you're wondering.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by bluegoose

I just so happened to have my handbook with me at work today. It says (paraphrased because I type so slowly):

- They are allowed 3 - one night campouts per year.
- "Fathers are invited and encouraged to participate in the overnight camping experiences with their sons and with boys whose fathers cannot attend. All overnight camps must include at least two adults."
- They should not go on the same campouts as the older scouts.

I actually thought it said, as creekster mentioned, that dads are required to attend. But its clearly just recommended, not required. Our ward has done it both ways, depending on who's in charge.

Really? I wold have bet money that I had read it otherwsie. THanks for the clarificaiton.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by jay santos

I need a sleeping pill just to sleep in a hotel bed. I can't stand camping. I don't hunt either. But I watch NFL on Sunday, bbq ribs for home BYU games, and fart in front of my wife. Where does that put me? Do we need some sort of rating system?

I've found the traditional manliness rating system is a lot of times a coverup for a true pussy inside.

goatee, drives a truck, hunts--that's a sure sign of a pussy

Jay, you are not a pussy because you think watching TV on Sunday and making BBQ ribs makes you cool.

You are not a pussy because you automatically hate guys with trucks and goatees.

You are a pussy because you view sleeping in a hotel bed as a hardship. Come on, brother. Buck up!

[Jeff Lebowski]

What a great thread. I am glad that most of you didn't take my harsh treatment of K-dog too seriously.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

What a great thread. I am glad that most of you didn't take my harsh treatment of K-dog too seriously.

It should looked as if you were going easy on him.

[K-dog]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

What a great thread. I am glad that most of you didn't take my harsh treatment of K-dog too seriously.

Tell you what, it put you in the same category as Mike Waters in my book.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by K-dog

Tell you what, it put you in the same category as Mike Waters in my book.

Thanks. I appreciate it.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by bluegoose

I just so happened to have my handbook with me at work today. It says (paraphrased because I type so slowly):

- They are allowed 3 - one night campouts per year.
- "Fathers are invited and encouraged to participate in the overnight camping experiences with their sons and with boys whose fathers cannot attend. All overnight camps must include at least two adults."
- They should not go on the same campouts as the older scouts.

I actually thought it said, as creekster mentioned, that dads are required to attend. But its clearly just recommended, not required. Our ward has done it both ways, depending on who's in charge.

This is not what the handbook I have read says. Either you or I have an outdated version.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by bluegoose

I just so happened to have my handbook with me at work today. It says (paraphrased because I type so slowly):

- They are allowed 3 - one night campouts per year.
- "Fathers are invited and encouraged to participate in the overnight camping experiences with their sons and with boys whose fathers cannot attend. All overnight camps must include at least two adults."
- They should not go on the same campouts as the older scouts.

I actually thought it said, as creekster mentioned, that dads are required to attend. But its clearly just recommended, not required. Our ward has done it both ways, depending on who's in charge.

I was the 11-yr-old scout leader for five years. This is the policy as I understood it. Two-deep leadership. Fathers don't have to come.