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The best humans were fast shedding a magic world view and JS's most lasting contribiution was to try and in some measure succed to put the brakes on and reverse human progress.
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05-08-2008, 09:22 PM | #53 | |
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Reverse human progress???????? Is the mormon church really that pro-found an entity that it could reverse human progress. Surely you aren't so full of yourself as to believe you can narrow it to individuals and decide for them whether the church advances or hinders their progress. Perhaps I should add you to the illustrious threesome. Now it is Seattle Ute, Indy, Tex and Lingo. |
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05-08-2008, 09:22 PM | #54 | |
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05-08-2008, 09:37 PM | #55 |
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I'm not ranking belief systems, dipshits, The Jews acquired systematic written language because of the Bible, and became a people.
The bible as literature is one of the most important books in the world, in terms of how we became what we are. Some of the moral precepts introduced in both sections were important as well.
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Apartheid, polygamy, angels, gold books, blood atonement, secret handshakes, dark skin curses, sexism, curse of Cain/Ham. Progressive stuff, I'd say. All that was new to the world, wasn't it.
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In my estimation, the 1838 account became a lot more descriptive and authoritative once some of the wheels started coming off the wagon in Kirtland. |
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Great thread...
I don't have as much a problem with imperfect members as I do imperfect PROPHETS. And I don't even expect them to be perfect. But when Brigham Young (especially, but include Joseph Smith and others) gets up and prefaces some crazy (in my eyes) comment with "thus saith the Lord" (paraphrased...), it makes me wonder how much I can trust any but the blandest generic counsel from the prophets. Joseph Smith's polyandry would sort of fit in this category as well. Denying AA's the priesthood is also very high on the list for me and is somewhat connected with the above. I think there was a lot of personal bias being misinterpreted as coming from God (I can't come up with any other plausible explanation for this), and it does cast a shadow over the legitimacy of all sorts of counsel and doctrine. Overall, I find myself in Mudphud's camp--trying mostly to ignore the historical concerns and judge the modern church. And thus I stay. |
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