McConkie had the right idea, but he wasn't the man for the job

[Solon]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Catholicism has much to apologize for, in a sense. But saying that about Catholicism is like saying that about ourselves, because, for over a thousand years Catholicism and its predecessors were the force and mechanism that sustained and propagated our culture, including those elements that finally restored democratic institutions, science, and individual liberty, not to mention the fact that you have many generations of forebears that for much longer than 170 years obtained spiritual and material succor from Catholic and Catholic backed institutions.

Agreed. If you're going to beat up on the Catholics, you have to beat up on all western religions, LDS included. The whole "Church of the Devil" nomenclature is sensationalist to the point of parody.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Indy never lets me down; grapevine's older brother who didn't get his head run over by a tractor.

Thanks a lot, SU. I just snorted Diet Coke all over my keyboard (literally).

[ute4ever]

Two points:

1) In those chapters I thought Nephi was seeing the future, for example Columbus coming to America? If so, why couldn't he foresee the future Roman Catholic Church?

2) I think "the church of the devil" is any individual or organization that is actively engaged in opposing the Lord's church. It does not have to be a single assembled entity. For example "the stakes of zion" is not one stake located in SLC or Independence, but rather is branched out in thousands of stakes worldwide. Aaron Shaf is a member of the church of the devil, as are the Tanners, as was King Noah.