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SeattleUte · 08-22-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU71

How do you feel about the terms, free speech or all men are created equal. How about a woman has the right to choose. Are you loathful of those terms also.

No. I think that's clear from my posts. Why not just say that? What I loath is Orwellian newspeak that tries to obscure truth or confuse or conflate unnaturally.

creekster · 08-22-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by All-American

Truth be told, many General Authorities would agree with you. I've heard several of them note that the term "free agency" is nowhere to be found in the scriptures. "Agency," yes, but "free agency" not so much.

Now that's just dumb.

Ditto. the term free agency is not in the scritpures. SU is left with just one more artifact of his utah mormon past to loath which has little bearing on the church he has left.

BYU71 · 08-22-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

No. I think that's clear from my posts. Why not just say that? What I loath is Orwellian newspeak that tries to obscure truth or confuse or conflate unnaturally.

So you don't loath free agency, you just loath how some people use the term.

It is all just opinion anyway. What gets me about thinkers,(educators and liberals) is they are as sure that their opinions represent truth as the right wing conservatives think their opinions are of God. The middle group understands there are very few absolutes that we know for sure.

il Padrino Ute · 08-22-2007, 05:04 PM

My understanding is that the term "free agency" has never been a part of Mormon colloquialism. It's just agent. Somehow, the word "free" was added - perhaps because we have the freedom to make choices.

SeattleUte · 08-22-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by creekster

Ditto. the term free agency is not in the scritpures. SU is left with just one more artifact of his utah mormon past to loath which has little bearing on the church he has left.

I just read a very bright Mormon (graduate from a top ten med school and on tenure track at one of the nation's leading medical schools) from Dallas write "free agency" as the "need I say more?" explanation for our world's blood soaked history.

MikeWaters · 08-22-2007, 05:06 PM

Yes, bad people do bad things. And God hasn't stopped them all.

What an incredibly stupid statement.

SeattleUte · 08-22-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU71

So you don't loath free agency, you just loath how some people use the term.

I think we've established no one knows what "free agency" means. In fact the term on its face is nonsense.

il Padrino Ute · 08-22-2007, 05:10 PM

Now that I think about it, I'll place the blame for the term "free agency" on Curt Blood. He was the first "free agent".

creekster · 08-22-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I just read a very bright Mormon (graduate from a top ten med school and on tenure track at one of the nation's leading medical schools) from Dallas write "free agency" as the "need I say more?" explanation for our world's blood soaked history.

He knew what he meant, he just threw in an extra word. You are quibbling with the name he chose, not the concept he proposed.

SeattleUte · 08-22-2007, 05:18 PM

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I don't think Mormonism really believes in freedom or liberty. (See, e.g., position on Constituional amendment banning gay marriage.)

Now that's just dumb.

Why is it dumb? If God's law or plan is that people should be free to choose, even to sin, why support a secular law that bans gay marriage, even if marrying a same sex partner is a sin? It's clear to me that a Mormon theocracy would not be a "free country." It would be a theocracy, i.e., totalitarianism.

08-22-2007, 05:04 PM	#44
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	My understanding is that the term "free agency" has never been a part of Mormon colloquialism. It's just agent. Somehow, the word "free" was added - perhaps because we have the freedom to make choices. __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

08-22-2007, 05:10 PM	#48
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	Now that I think about it, I'll place the blame for the term "free agency" on Curt Blood. He was the first "free agent". __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

08-22-2007, 05:06 PM	#46
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Yes, bad people do bad things. And God hasn't stopped them all. What an incredibly stupid statement.