Creationism vs. Evolution: "...after its own kind"

[creekster]

Originally Posted by NorCal Cat

I don't really care about your lack of theological heartburn. What I am interested in is how in the world you arrived at this belief. Oh yeah, and are you an active member of the LDS church?

Of course your last sentence is the exact question Brian preempted by his comment about heartburn that you dismissed. I guess you do care.

Here is the question: how can you not believe in evolution? What rational evidence do you have that it isn't the mechanism at work in our world? Yes, I am an active memebr, in case you are worried.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by NorCal Cat

I don't really care about your lack of theological heartburn. What I am interested in is how in the world you arrived at this belief. Oh yeah, and are you an active member of the LDS church?

Yes, very. In fact I gave a talk in sacrament meeting a couple of weeks back.
We had FHE last night.

Does gravity disturb you? We understand the basics pretty well and are trying to flesh out the rest of the theory, but it's pretty evident what is going on, whether there is a graviton or something else yet to be discovered. But the fact remains, masses attract each other.
I don't see how one could view things otherwise. But, we're all free to decide for ourselves.

[NorCal Cat]

Originally Posted by Brian

Yes, very. In fact I gave a talk in sacrament meeting a couple of weeks back.
We had FHE last night.

Does gravity disturb you? We understand the basics pretty well and are trying to flesh out the rest of the theory, but it's pretty evident what is going on, whether there is a graviton or something else yet to be discovered. But the fact remains, masses attract each other.
I don't see how one could view things otherwise. But, we're all free to decide for ourselves.

Nice try, but I don't see what gravity has to do with man evolving from microscopic creatures. Gravity is a fact, the evolution of man from a microscopic creature is not. In fact, there is nothing I have ever heard or read about in the scriptures, or teachings from Church leaders that gives any credence to this belief in evolution whatsoever. If you have something to suggest otherwise, I'd love to hear about it.

I believe man was created in God's image, not that man evolved into God's image.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by NorCal Cat

Nice try, but I don't see what gravity has to do with man evolving from microscopic creatures. Gravity is a fact, the evolution of man from a microscopic creature is not. In fact, there is nothing I have ever heard or read about in the scriptures, or teachings from Church leaders that gives any credence to this belief in evolution whatsoever. If you have something to suggest otherwise, I'd love to hear about it.

I believe man was created in God's image, not that man evolved into God's image.

So how did God create man? What was the actual and literal mechanism He used? Apart from your belief, what evidence is there to support your suggested mechanism (assuming you have one)?

[NorCal Cat]

Originally Posted by creekster

So how did God create man? What was the actual and literal mechanism He used? Apart from your belief, what evidence is there to support your suggested mechanism (assuming you have one)?

I suppose the Priesthood had something to do with it. Beyond that, I couldn't tell you. Why don't you ask Him?

At least I can support my belief with the scriptures, the teachings in the temple, and Church leaders. What can the evolutionists use to support their belief?

[Brian]

Originally Posted by NorCal Cat

I suppose the Priesthood had something to do with it. Beyond that, I couldn't tell you. Why don't you ask Him?

At least I can support my belief with the scriptures, the teachings in the temple, and Church leaders. What can the evolutionists use to support their belief?

If you want to be completely literal, if we were all created in the image of god, we would all look the same, same eye color, same hair color, same hair waviness, same height, weight, proportions, etc etc.

Where do you draw the literalness line?

[NorCal Cat]

Originally Posted by Brian

If you want to be completely literal, if we were all created in the image of god, we would all look the same, same eye color, same hair color, same hair waviness, same height, weight, proportions, etc etc.

Where do you draw the literalness line?

I certainly draw the line at microscopic creatures! Come on...image, as in the same likeness. Being of the same image doesn't mean we all have to look exactly the same. Cut the crap.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by NorCal Cat

I certainly draw the line at microscopic creatures! Come on...image, as in the same likeness. Being of the same image doesn't mean we all have to look exactly the same. Cut the crap.

I'm not BS-ing you. You seem to want to take a very literal interpretation. I think determining how literal you willing to go is a very important question.
Why do you pick the microscopic creature line?

Of course "image" isn't mirror image. I raised it just to make a point.
But I think the deeper meaning of "in the image" is a very interesting question.

[NorCal Cat]

Originally Posted by Brian

I'm not BS-ing you. You seem to want to take a very literal interpretation. I think determining how literal you willing to go is a very important question.
Why do you pick the microscopic creature line?

Of course "image" isn't mirror image. I raised it just to make a point.
But I think the deeper meaning of "in the image" is a very interesting question.

You said you believe in macro evolution. Which I believe at the most macro level would be man evolving from microscopic creatures. Would it not? If you believe man evolved from chimps, or perhaps a fish, please tell me.

[SoCalCoug]

Originally Posted by NorCal Cat

You said you believe in macro evolution. Which I believe at the most macro level would be man evolving from microscopic creatures. Would it not? If you believe man evolved from chimps, or perhaps a fish, please tell me.

Do we know the actual mechanism by which God created humans?