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2004: 1 4-star (Vince Feula), 6 3-stars (Bower, Collie, Luettgerodt, Eddie Scipio, Watkins, Joe Griffin); the rest were 2- and 1-stars (Bower, Scipio and Griffin never contributed, and I can't remember if Feula did, which should say a lot, itself - so we have 3 3-stars who contributed. quote] Very good post, Feula was a starter at BYU.
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So Oregon State has identified Utah as the premiere talent evaluator? Why not BYU? Does this mean Utah is even more undervalued by the stars system than BYU is? Why be selective about it? If Oregon State acknowledges Utah is better evaluator than the star system and their own coaching staff, why not offer all 23 recruits?
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It's hardly rocket science and it's actually a pretty efficient way of going after recruits. Due to the added panache of their BCS membership over Utah, they feel they can cede the groundwork needed for recruiting (being the first to offer, building early relationships, etc.) and step in later and still get the commit over Utah. |
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Let's assume that each school has it's priorities for the upcoming class. For example, this year BYU's priority seemed to be WR, LB & DB. Now, let's assume you assign your team goals, such as: "We want to sign two Linebackers in this class." Then, you immediately look for the 3-4 linebackers you're going to focus on, hoping to sign two of them. You already know about three linebackers, all from 'pipeline schools' you recruit often, whom you've already watched playing over the last two years while evaluating LAST year's recruits. The fourth, a friend of a coach calls and tells him about this kid that's tearing it up, and plays only a hundred or so miles from the school.... AND THEN, you do a little research and find this other kid playing in Cal that's being touted as the next Brian Urlacher. WHY THE HELL would you bother looking at a linebacker who has nice stats, playing in the state of Utah? Therefore, that Utahn gets little attention from most BCS schools, and little attention from the recruiting sites, since hey - the only teams interested are Utah & BYU, so the kid can't be that good, right? Thus, you see a kid who, had his family moved to that same pipeline school in California, would have been a four-star recruit, and instead ended up with just two stars. Would that 'poor soul' have been 'incorrectly evaluated' by the recruiting sites, had they taken the time to evaluate him? Probably not. Would he have been identified by another college that spent the necessary time evaluating him? Probably. Is there any reason for another school to spend a second thought on the kid? NO! Your argument in this case is flawed. |
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If the star rankings are accurate, then we are getting much better athletes on the whole than we have been getting. Therefore, Bronco's doing a very good job at recruiting. It also seems that whether it's because they're better at evaluating talent, or better at getting production out of their players, Bronco and BYU have done a very good job the last 2 years, relying primarily on lower-rated players to propel the team to two top-15 rankings. Or maybe the stars just don't matter as much as you think, like Bronco says.
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BYU - 58th Oregon State - 61st Utah - 64th http://byu.scout.com/a.z?s=338&p=9&c=14&yr=2008 |
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1. Yes, most non-BCS (and even lower-tier BCS teams) are undervalued. 2. The star system IS still reliant upon PROPER evaluation of talent. 3. All talent does NOT receive the same amount of evaluation. 4. 'second tier guys the USC's are ignoring' are being ignored NOT because they're LESS TALENTED, but because they're NOT PROPERLY EVALUATED. Without the scholarship restrictions, I have no doubt that many of the '3-star' BYU recruits would have been offered by USC. |
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2007: 42 2006: 46 2005: 53 2004: 55 2003: 59 2002: 46 Bottom line for Jay: if the star rankings mean as much as he says, there's no way BYU should have finished in the top 15 the last 2 years, based on the talent level recruited.
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