Speech still resounds

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

You should read another article in that same issue. About whether "Google is making us Stoopid". Your "speed-reading" of this article is QED of that other article.

Honestly, I don't read the Atlantic Monthly much for the same reason I don't watch TV much. I read plenty of stuff, mostly books, and it's all worthwhile.

I will say, though, that article you posted a while back from the Atlantic about the Koran was terrific, and I saved it. That's a good example of the Atlantic's modus operandi of trying to provide a fresh perspective. But more times than not it doesn't mean much.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Depends on what you mean by near the bottom. Specialists make the most. Like opthamologists, dermatologists, cardiovascular surgeons, cardiologists, radiologists.

Compared to these guys, ER docs don't make nearly as much. Psychiatrists make even less than ER docs. Psychiatrists make about the same as family physicians. Pediatricians are the worst payed.

Pediatricians are poorly paid, but psychiatrists run the gamut. Perhaps researchers are poorly paid, but there are many psychiatrists who do quite well. There are almost no pediatricians who do well, unless they specialize.

ER physicians do better than the intake physicians but they are not wealthy in most cases and their malpractice premiums aren't cheap.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Good thinking.

Orthopedic surgeon (Ogden, UT) = $750K+
Dermatologist (Idaho) = $1M
Orthopedic surgeon (SLC, UT) = $900K +
Medical student = $300K + in debt; will go into a specialty when he would rather do IM or Ped doc to pay back his debt. It's a situation the medical community better deal with sooner rather than later or there won't be enough ped docs or primary care physicians for the additional 45M un-insured.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Pediatricians are poorly paid, but psychiatrists run the gamut. Perhaps researchers are poorly paid, but there are many psychiatrists who do quite well. There are almost no pediatricians who do well, unless they specialize.

ER physicians do better than the intake physicians but they are not wealthy in most cases and their malpractice premiums aren't cheap.

of all trades (ER doc). Props to their nads.....except the ER doc who's on CG!

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by exUte

Orthopedic surgeon (Ogden, UT) = $750K+
Dermatologist (Idaho) = $1M
Orthopedic surgeon (SLC, UT) = $900K +
Medical student = $300K + in debt; will go into a specialty when he would rather do IM or Ped doc to pay back his debt. It's a situation the medical community better deal with sooner rather than later or there won't be enough ped docs or primary care physicians for the additional 45M un-insured.

exUte, you might be surprised to know how LITTLE debt I incurred in med school, with no help from my parents.

And I don't think they need to worry about not having enough doctors. They will just import more.

[CardiacCoug]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I'm not opposed to anyone pursuing the course your wife chose. I respect what she's doing a lot. I'm for freedom of choice. That's my value.

That's not what Beck is for. In Beck's world, there is one way women ought to be. From everything that woman quoted in the article said, she's raising her daughters that way. Who's lacking respect?

Now, I encourage my daughters toward higher education and higher paying careers. In one respect, that's just practical. If you left your wife she'd get at most about six years of a portion of your salary and half your savings even if she were a high school graduate. I also value education like Mormons value temple worship. I think education is one of the most important things in life and the Beck ethos winds up cheating women of it.

Not sure how this thread ended up being about physician salaries, but I think this post is correct.

Mormon women probably still as a rule tend to err on the side of interrupting their education too soon to get married and have kids. This leaves many women unsatisfied and/or unprepared for life's contingencies such as death or abandonment by their husband.

On the other hand, I have known many women in medicine who have sacrificed their entire personal lives for career and these women are generally miserable and very unsatisfied with their lives -- much more unsatisfied than men in a similar situation in my experience. It's ridiculous to pretend that men and women are inherently identical in their desire for career/family balance, as many people do today outside of the Church. Overemphasis on education and career (at the expense of all else) is as much a prescription for unhappiness as overemphasis on marriage and childbearing.

I think it's great to validate and support whatever decision the women in our lives choose to make with regard to their careers and families. Our current Stake President's wife went to medical school and practices part-time emergency medicine in addition to being a mother to 4 children. She seems to have a great balance between career and family that I think many women would find ideal.