LDS priorities

[RC Vikings]

Overall I would say the WOW has been good for the church but it has become such a defining trait for members that it has over shadowed many more important facets of the church. Ask non-members what separates a good Mormon from a bad Mormon and most will say if the drink or smoke. If a church member is breaking the WOW can you look past that to how well they are living the other teaching of Christ? Most of the members could not.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by Venkman

Failure to live the WOW, except in cases of addiction, is simply a matter of rebellion, and therefore a big deal.

Now that is funny! Well done.

[creekster]

WHat is the point here? Are we to urge that we ignore the WoW until we have mastered all christian values? Are we complaining becaseu the WoW just isn't a reliable criteria by which we can judge other people? WHy do we care if other people rely on the WoW to assess faithfulness? WHy do we feel compelled to judge others at all? It is manifestly incorrect that the 'church' teaches adherence to the WoW is more important than other CHrisitan principles. It is also manifestly true that the WoW is more readily manifest than adherence to other Christian principles. SO what? I am at a bit of a loss as to what nit is being picked here.

[Levin]

Originally Posted by creekster

WHat is the point here? Are we to urge that we ignore the WoW until we have mastered all christian values? Are we complaining becaseu the WoW just isn't a reliable criteria by which we can judge other people? WHy do we care if other people rely on the WoW to assess faithfulness? WHy do we feel compelled to judge others at all? It is manifestly incorrect that the 'church' teaches adherence to the WoW is more important than other CHrisitan principles. It is also manifestly true that the WoW is more readily manifest than adherence to other Christian principles. SO what? I am at a bit of a loss as to what nit is being picked here.

Creekster, my good Gibbon, I've finally noticed something! It seems your role here is to comment on the comments. You're kind of like a sideline commentator to discuss how lame and pointless the game is, or how innappropriate the last play was. You're a veritable Billy Packer!

[creekster]

Originally Posted by Levin

Creekster, my good Gibbon, I've finally noticed something! It seems your role here is to comment on the comments. You're kind of like a sideline commentator to discuss how lame and pointless the game is, or how innappropriate the last play was. You're a veritable Billy Packer!

WHat e'er though art, act well thy part (DId I get that right?).

Sorry, I am just not quick enough to keep up with the rest of you I guess. I do enjoy poking at SU (chino thinks I have a man crush) but otherwise I am not sure this is a fair assessment of my comment here. Others criticised the poll, with which criticism I agree, and having read through the thread, I just don't get the point from either a beleiver's persepctive or a non-believers persecptive. Of course, I frequently just struggle to keep up with all you smart guys, so I do what I can do.

[Levin]

Originally Posted by creekster

WHat e'er though art, act well thy part (DId I get that right?).

Sorry, I am just not quick enough to keep up with the rest of you I guess. I do enjoy poking at SU (chino thinks I have a man crush) but otherwise I am not sure this is a fair assessment of my comment here. Others criticised the poll, with which criticism I agree, and having read through the thread, I just don't get the point from either a beleiver's persepctive or a non-believers persecptive. Of course, I frequently just struggle to keep up with all you smart guys, so I do what I can do.

Dear Gibbon, another character trait I adore -- your humorously false self-deprecation! You use it with such skill to needle your oppressors.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by creekster

WHat is the point here? Are we to urge that we ignore the WoW until we have mastered all christian values? Are we complaining becaseu the WoW just isn't a reliable criteria by which we can judge other people? WHy do we care if other people rely on the WoW to assess faithfulness? WHy do we feel compelled to judge others at all? It is manifestly incorrect that the 'church' teaches adherence to the WoW is more important than other CHrisitan principles. It is also manifestly true that the WoW is more readily manifest than adherence to other Christian principles. SO what? I am at a bit of a loss as to what nit is being picked here.

Christ gave the Two Great Commandments. Why any church would feel the need to add to those is beyond me. I truly believe that anything other than that is just for that particular church and has nothing to do with God. Kind of like housing developments that have home owners associations. They make their own rules for their community, but they are ultimately worthless in the grand scheme of things.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by BlueHair

Christ gave the Two Great Commandments. Why any church would feel the need to add to those is beyond me. I truly believe that anything other than that is just for that particular church and nothing to do with God. Kind of like housing developments that have home owners associations. They make their own rules for their community, but they are ultimately worthless in the grand scheme of things.

The other commandments are a means to an end. If you'd like to go visit a distant place, is it enough just to want to go, or do you need to go through the proper sequence of events and abide by certain guidelines and regulations in order to actually arrive there?

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

The other commandments are a means to an end. If you'd like to go visit a distant place, is it enough just to want to go, or do you need to go through the proper sequence of events and abide by certain guidelines and regulations in order to actually arrive there?

The other commandments are probably intended to help you out. I guess my point is that, in my opinion, they are creations of man and salvation isn't tied to their obedience, since I would be obeying man and not God. Not that God would necessarily think that the man made commandments were bad advice, just not necessary.

In regards to the distant place, I could arrive at the same destination by multiple means of travel.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by BlueHair

Christ gave the Two Great Commandments. Why any church would feel the need to add to those is beyond me. I truly believe that anything other than that is just for that particular church and has nothing to do with God. Kind of like housing developments that have home owners associations. They make their own rules for their community, but they are ultimately worthless in the grand scheme of things.

OK, and that puts you in the category of non-believers, as I said, who I can't imagine really care about the WOW, making the topic pointless for you, except as a means to criticise the church, but given that you are a non-believer there can be no justification for the WoW that would ever make sense to you, as you have so eloquently pointed out.