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One must be blind not to see that Christ's teachings and the teachings given by various prophets are sometimes dreadfully inconsistent. So for me--Christ's teachings come first, and then I also rely on personal revelation. And I don't think my attitude is different from what Joseph Smith taught: everyone can receive their own personal revelation. You can read scriptures about God destroying Emma, and then turn and read the parables of Christ. If you can somehow see (or feel) consistency, then that is your own personal revelation, and I respect that. There is enough room for all of us in the Church.
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In other words, it isn't within your purview to decide what scripture is from God, and which isn't. Doing so is probably one of the best modern-day Uzzah examples there is. As to your last statement, I don't know who you think is telling you there is no room for you. As long as you don't teach these things (which you've said you don't), I don't see why anyone would say you couldn't be a member in good standing.
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I admit it. I don't have a testimony of those scriptures. So sue me.
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You clearly do not. |
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I'm glad you are a true believer in God's desire to destroy Emma if she would not "go along" with Joseph's need to take extra wives.
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You don't want to believe that the words Joseph wrote in D&C 132 are God's words, despite the fact that he said they were. Therefore, you believe Joseph Smith to be a false prophet. Really quite simple. |
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Therefore, Joseph was not lying. And I believe that he was a fallible human being who was truly a prophet, who made a couple of mistakes here and there.
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I have no problem with someone who is struggling to understand God's character via difficult passages of scripture. Quote:
Second, if you believe in other of church scripture, the idea that God would "destroy" someone for disobedience is not a big stretch. I believe it was Heber Kimball who testified that God would have destroyed him if he had refused to abide the polygamist covenant. Do you believe in a God that would command a righteous man to kill his own son? Do you think Abraham knew that the angel would stop him before the completion of the act? How about Jonah? How far do you think the Lord was willing to take it? God commanded the Moses-led Israelites to drive out the then-occupants of the Holy Land. He later ordered Saul, via Samuel, to wipe out the Amalekites, women, children, animals, the works. And when he failed, Samuel personally "hewed [the Amalekite king] Agag in pieces before the Lord in Gilgal." Your requirement that the mortal Jesus supercedes the ante- and post-mortal Jesus is also something you must substantiate with more than your own prejudices. What this all boils down to is you have selected some aspects of the Godlike nature which comport with how you want him to be. When he steps outside of that box that you have drawn for him, he becomes a being you cannot abide worshiping, and so you enforce the box by dismissing the behavior.
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The fact that you reject even the Abrahamic commandment suggests to me that we will find little common ground in this discussion.
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