Should my friend be excommunicated?

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

There was someone that was a very successful Pentacostal preacher in NYC. Long story short, despite being baptized, he refused to give up his connections to the Pentacostal church and continued to preach there. He even attempted while in church to recruit some of the YM to go there instead.

While he was warned about his recruiting, no disciplinary action was taken against him.

I guess I am doing a very poor job of asking the question.

I will try one more time. Can a person who has not asked to be removed, be removed although the removal does not involve disciplinary action.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by BYU71

I guess I am doing a very poor job of asking the question.

I will try one more time. Can a person who has not asked to be removed, be removed although the removal does not involve disciplinary action.

Not that I'm aware of. It's one or the other.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by ute4ever

But I don't understand the idea of a friendly offer to remove people who have done none of the above, but have simply gone astray.

But that's not an accurate characterization. It's more involved than that.

[UtahDan]

You all have gotten soft. I think Mike should be ex'ed just for being friends with this guy.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

But that's not an accurate characterization. It's more involved than that.

Indeed. I believe the circumstance in question is specifically someone who's actively involved in (and an official member of) another denomination.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by BYU71

I guess I am doing a very poor job of asking the question.

I will try one more time. Can a person who has not asked to be removed, be removed although the removal does not involve disciplinary action.

No. The person must request name removal. Until then no action can be taken.

Even those that ask for no contact will remain on the records until they ask for their names to be removed. I remember visiting or calling inactive members who didn't want to be contacted. I asked them to write a letter to the Bishop to have their names removed so we would quit bugging them (I explained new leadership would eventually come and they would probably be contacted again). Had I had a form letter with me I would have had them fill it out then and there to get the job done. Who knows if they every took action.

In Mike's friend's case, I say ex his ass. We'd be doing him a favor as his speaking fees on the "I was a Mormon, but now I'm found" lecture tour would double or triple overnight with that little gem on his CV.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

In Mike's friend's case, I say ex his ass. We'd be doing him a favor as his speaking fees on the "I was a Mormon, but now I'm found" lecture tour would double or triple overnight with that little gem on his CV.

LOL.

[El Paso Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

He is a former Elders Quorum President. He is now a Baptist and is some kind or ordained Baptist minister (I think he is a form of minor lay clergy).

He's a good guy, and I like him. Even though I am not a huge fan of excommunication, I'm starting to think he ought to be excommunicated.

As used here, apostasy refers to members who:
1. Repeatedly act in clear, open, and deliberate public opposition to the Church or its
leaders.
Page 95
2. Persist in teaching as Church doctrine information that is not Church doctrine after
they have been corrected by their bishops or higher authority
3. Continue to follow the teachings of apostate sects (such as those that advocate plural
marriage) after being corrected by their bishop or higher authority.
In such cases, excommunication may be necessary if repentance is not evident after
counseling and encouragement.
Priesthood leaders must take disciplinary action against apostates to protect Church members.
The Savior taught the Nephites that they should continue to minister to a transgressor, but "if he
repent not he shall not be numbered among my people, that he may not destroy my people" (3
Nephi 18:31; see also Mosiah 26:36).
Total inactivity in the Church or attending or holding membership in another church does not
constitute apostasy.

This passage is regarding excommunication. I think the answer is no excommunication unless he is actively speaking against the LDS Church.