02-13-2008, 03:02 AM | #31 |
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I realize that.
I'm confused... God killed someone for practicing coitus interruptus, so this couple you know doesn't use it and the wife gets pregnant? Again, having sex without using any form of birth control = pregnancy. Can't be unplanned. |
02-13-2008, 03:03 AM | #32 | |
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I always assumed that the story of Job was a highly-embellished legend meant to teach a principle that was eventually recorded as scripture. A legend which may have originated with some poor man who seemed to suffer greatly and yet bear his burdens with dignity and humility. And in the telling and retelling of the story, the more bizarre elements were added to spice things up and make it more powerful.
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02-13-2008, 03:05 AM | #33 |
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Would now be a good time to bring up the She-Bears?
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02-13-2008, 03:06 AM | #34 |
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02-13-2008, 03:09 AM | #35 |
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Lingo's dad never taught him about the birds and the bees.
Lingo: When you ejaculate into a vagina, then the chances of pregnancy are greater than when you don't ejaculate into a vagina. There is such a thing as pre-ejaculatory fluid, which contains fewer sperm than ejaculate. Coitus interruptus decreases the chances of pregnancy. However, some sperm are very strong swimmers. Because of this, pre-ejaculatory fluid is sometimes enough to fertilize an egg. Birth control is about decreasing the chances of pregnancy. Sometimes condoms don't work. It doesn't mean that condoms aren't birth control. Coitus interruptus is less effective than a condom, but more effective than ejaculating into a vagina. Sometimes HIV passes through condoms. This doesn't mean that condoms don't decrease the transmission rate for HIV. |
02-13-2008, 03:11 AM | #36 |
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Sooner, I know all this stuff. Spare the lecture.
What I don't get is how this Old Testament account has anything to do with your friend and his wife getting pregnant. |
02-13-2008, 03:12 AM | #37 |
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I want to know why God killed Onan, but not my friend. Has God become more relaxed with age?
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Job Lesson notes I think in general people try to draw theological or doctrinal inferences from details of the story and then they miss the overriding theological points. The details of Job aren't meant to describe or establish specific theological points. Instead the details are meant to focus the reader on the overriding theological or doctrinal themes. Last edited by pelagius; 02-13-2008 at 03:18 AM. |
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Also let me add that Onan reversal is at least two fold. It is ironic that he is essentially called to serve his younger brother (Judah calls him to serve his younger brother when Judah refused to do exactly this with Joseph). He refuses to do this and is punished by God. We can think of many other examples where this specific reversal is highlighted. I think there is some room for a nice discussion instead of giggling over the description of a sexual act. The story is full of irony; Judah invented the lie told to his father about the "death" of Joseph. He loses two sons very quickly. His lack of grief in these verses provides contrast to Jacob's grief upon learning about Joseph's death Last edited by pelagius; 02-13-2008 at 04:58 AM. |
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02-13-2008, 04:16 AM | #40 |
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It is odd that none of the firstborn sons of the Old Testament manage to keep the birthright.
Maybe it's a lesson on how we can't ever think we have it made. Just because there may be certain blessings associated with membership in the Church or whatever doesn't mean we can't lose those blessings. |
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