Bob Millet on grace

[myboynoah]

So Aaron, are there no actions that are required of the individual to take advantage of the Grace offered by the Savior?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by aaronshaf

I sent Robert Millet this quote in March:



He responded with, "Great quote. Thanks for sending it!"

I later sent him some quotes, including this following one, and asked him if he was at a place where he was willing to unequivocally denounce them as gospel-denying heresy.



He refused to denounce them and simply spoke of how he and his church were "emphasizing" grace and faith more, and that things were a "bit" too works-oriented before.

I took several classes from Bob Millet. I'd love to see the two of you in a room together.

[aaronshaf]

So Aaron, are there no actions that are required of the individual to take advantage of the Grace offered by the Savior?

If one works to receive justification, God simply will not give it. One must receive justification, forgiveness, and eternal life by empty-handed, brokenhearted faith "apart from works" (Paul's phrase).

Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin. (Romans 4:4-8, contra the JST of 4:5)

Only then is a person more naturally inclined and empowered to love people and love God, for "he who is forgiven little, loves little." (Luke 7:47; cf. Colossians 3:13) The obedience and works and holiness that God wants come from a heart that is already freely and fully forgiven. The works are necessary after-evidences of authentic faith, but not necessary prerequisites for receiving forgiveness.

This sort of thinking, admittedly, is an affront to the idea that one of the central reasons we are here on earth is to prove our personal worthiness unto deification.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by aaronshaf

I sent Robert Millet this quote in March:



He responded with, "Great quote. Thanks for sending it!"

I later sent him some quotes, including this following one, and asked him if he was at a place where he was willing to unequivocally denounce them as gospel-denying heresy.



He refused to denounce them and simply spoke of how he and his church were "emphasizing" grace and faith more, and that things were a "bit" too works-oriented before.

Swell for you, Aaron.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by aaronshaf

I sent Robert Millet this quote in March:

Just think, Aaron. You were this close to having a well-known Mormon figure apostatize and join your cult. Dang!

Better luck next time.

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by aaronshaf

If one works to receive justification, God simply will not give it. One must receive justification, forgiveness, and eternal life by empty-handed, brokenhearted faith "apart from works" (Paul's phrase).



Only then is a person more naturally inclined and empowered to love people and love God, for "he who is forgiven little, loves little." (Luke 7:47; cf. Colossians 3:13) The obedience and works and holiness that God wants come from a heart that is already freely and fully forgiven. The works are necessary after-evidences of authentic faith, but not necessary prerequisites for receiving forgiveness.

This sort of thinking, admittedly, is an affront to the idea that one of the central reasons we are here on earth is to prove our personal worthiness unto deification.

Can you say "yes" to God w/o grace?

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by aaronshaf

If one works to receive justification, God simply will not give it. One must receive justification, forgiveness, and eternal life by empty-handed, brokenhearted faith "apart from works" (Paul's phrase).



Only then is a person more naturally inclined and empowered to love people and love God, for "he who is forgiven little, loves little." (Luke 7:47; cf. Colossians 3:13) The obedience and works and holiness that God wants come from a heart that is already freely and fully forgiven. The works are necessary after-evidences of authentic faith, but not necessary prerequisites for receiving forgiveness.

This sort of thinking, admittedly, is an affront to the idea that one of the central reasons we are here on earth is to prove our personal worthiness unto deification.

So how do you work so hard to justify being a shithead?

God doesn't reward shitheads.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by aaronshaf

If one works to receive justification, God simply will not give it. One must receive justification, forgiveness, and eternal life by empty-handed, brokenhearted faith "apart from works" (Paul's phrase).



Only then is a person more naturally inclined and empowered to love people and love God, for "he who is forgiven little, loves little." (Luke 7:47; cf. Colossians 3:13) The obedience and works and holiness that God wants come from a heart that is already freely and fully forgiven. The works are necessary after-evidences of authentic faith, but not necessary prerequisites for receiving forgiveness.

This sort of thinking, admittedly, is an affront to the idea that one of the central reasons we are here on earth is to prove our personal worthiness unto deification.

Is there no action in belief? Is not our belief even counted for our good? Is God so arbitrary? Am I as lost then, even as SU?

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

So how do you work so hard to justify being a shithead?

God doesn't reward shitheads.

does he reward vulgarity?

[Taq Man]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

So how do you work so hard to justify being a shithead?

God doesn't reward shitheads.

Would you like to be treated in similar fashion after explaining your thinking on grace/works?

This is a board where all are welcome. If you really don't want to hear from Aaron then go post on Cougarboard. They will feed you the lines that soothe your soul.