I almost am finished with Brodie's book...

[Quisqueyano]

To simply reject Nibley's critique as "awful" is intellectually irresponsible. You will have to be more specific as to why Nibley knows a lot less than you do. Feel free to site his work if you wish.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Now I'm laughing out loud, at the irony. Brody was a tenured professor of history at UCLA, a world-class university. That's a dinstinction that was well beyond Nibly's reach. Whatever the status today of her biographies other than No Man (which I think we've established is a mainstream classic), when they were published they were well received and she made a lot of money selling many copies of them. That's the most any author can expet in his/her lifetime. Who knows what future generations will think of them? Outside the Church, nobody would call what Nibly wrote "scholarship." Honestly, he's considered a nut job, outside the Church.

Was UCLA "world class" at the time of her hire and tenure? I don't know, as I'm not a historian, but Harvard, Oxford, ToDai, BeiDa come to mind as world class. Or is that a little hyperbole?

UCLA probably has been a good university for some time, but as good as even Berkeley?

Let's try national or regional class.

[fusnik11]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

UNR, now there's a great institution.

They have the best nature literature writing program in the world.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by fusnik11

They have the best nature literature writing program in the world.

They also have a very good school of mining, Mackey School of Mines has had notoriety for some time.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Was UCLA "world class" at the time of her hire and tenure? I don't know, as I'm not a historian, but Harvard, Oxford, ToDai, BeiDa come to mind as world class. Or is that a little hyperbole?

UCLA probably has been a good university for some time, but as good as even Berkeley?

Let's try national or regional class.

The University of California system, the crown jewels of which are UC Berkely and UCLA, is absolutely world class, and has been for a long time. UCLA does many more things well than any Ivy League school except Harvard. Great public unversities are in a special class in terms of the breadth of things they do well. Although it's very difficult to get into UCLA, and its peers such as Michigan and Berkely, you don't measure them just by the test scores and GPAs of their entering classes.

[fusnik11]

Originally Posted by homeboy

Good heavens, Fusnik. You read this book on your honeymoon? That is beyond bizarre.

Thanks.

Four hour flight each day, a day on the beach where the wife is immersed in the 'Idiot,' my inability to be a robot and instantly recharge gave me plenty of time to rip through 65% of the book.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

The University of California system, the crown jewels of which are UC Berkely and UCLA, is absolutely world class, and has been for a long time. UCLA does many more things well than any Ivy League school except Harvard. Great public unversities are in a special class in terms of the breadth of things they do well. Although it's very difficult to get into UCLA, and its peers such as Michigan and Berkely, you don't measure them just by the test scores and GPAs of their entering classes.

Amen. UCLA is a great school.

[fusnik11]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

The University of California system, the crown jewels of which are UC Berkely and UCLA, is absolutely world class, and has been for a long time. UCLA does many more things well than any Ivy League school except Harvard. Great public unversities are in a special class in terms of the breadth of things they do well. Although it's very difficult to get into UCLA, and its peers such as Michigan and Berkely, you don't measure them just by the test scores and GPAs of their entering classes.

Brodie's book is interesting to me on two levels:

a. It serves as the banner work people cite while leaving the work

and

b. Historically she is spot on.

So, I would assume, it creates quite the predicament for the intellectually honest, and spiritually led.

It, IMO, raises no more questions than Bushman's latest work, difference is, one must wade through her leaps to get to the real content of the book.

A mathematical example to demonstrate her book.

1 + 1 = 2, in every single language

1 + x = y, y = standard mormon testimony, x = the unknown

1 + x(y/x) = Brodie's book

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

The University of California system, the crown jewels of which are UC Berkely and UCLA, is absolutely world class, and has been for a long time. UCLA does many more things well than any Ivy League school except Harvard. Great public unversities are in a special class in terms of the breadth of things they do well. Although it's very difficult to get into UCLA, and its peers such as Michigan and Berkely, you don't measure them just by the test scores and GPAs of their entering classes.

Well who's measuring?

From my academic experience, I remember emphasis on these public institutions, Michigan, Virginia, Texas at Austin, Berkeley.

Excuse my ignorance, but I don't know whether Cal Tech and MIT are public or private, as I believe they are public, but never checked to find out. Those two universities rank highly.

In England or abroad, I bet you would be hard pressed to get recognition of UCLA as on par with Harvard, Michigan, MIT, Stanford, or Berkeley.

"World Class" should be reserved to a few, not a lot. Are we ranking based on endowment? Are ranking based on publications?

No, it seems the north end of the state does scholarship and south end does sports.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by fusnik11

Brodie's book is interesting to me on two levels:

a. It serves as the banner work people cite while leaving the work

and

b. Historically she is spot on.

So, I would assume, it creates quite the predicament for the intellectually honest, and spiritually led.

It, IMO, raises no more questions than Bushman's latest work, difference is, one must wade through her leaps to get to the real content of the book.

A mathematical example to demonstrate her book.

1 + 1 = 2, in every single language

1 + x = y, y = standard mormon testimony, x = the unknown

1 + x(y/x) = Brodie's book

And that's the problem, life is a partial integral, not a simple algebraic equation, which is too linear.