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First, Hitler was elected by a popular vote and began as the head of a free republican state; he dismantled it incrementally from within over a period of time. Second, 1930's Germany was probably the most educated and cultured--you could say "civilized"--country in the world. These are among the reasons why Germany horribly facinates beyond Stalinist Russia, which was equally murderous and oppressive. Russia has never had republican government, and most of its population was illiterate and backward. Stalin himself was a rube. But Germany was a lot like us.
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I guess this is why we have such a hard
time understanding each others views. Seattle I know you are sincere when you say the "torture" policy reminds you of Gestapo tactics. I am sincere in saying I can't possibly understand how you come to that conclusion.
Could you please explain to me what outside force had attacked Germany. What group had openly avowed they were going to destroy Germany. I am talking about acts here. Actual acts and talk of acts to take place against Germany. Here is a similarity. Hitler wanted to eliminate the Jews. Most of those you worry so much about torturing have the same view. To make absurd comparisons about Bush just ruins any sense you may make in the body of your argument. |
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That's not 'logic' that's a description of the factual content and predicate for their position. I assume you get the difference?
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I didn't pay much attention to the details
back then. You have to remember I was just a teenager.
My understanding is as follows: It involves your model for how a Country should be run, The French. After the US came in and saved the Frenches butts, the French put onerous restrictions on the Germans as part of the treaty. This gave rise to Hitler and his cronies. My question to you is, when we get run over, who is going to come and save our butts. I am not counting on the French. |
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I'm not expressing fear of genocide here right now. I'm fearful of slow abridgement of our liberties until there are none. Ever heard the phrase absolute power corrupts absolutely? Ultimately, genoside does seem to go hand in hand with authoritiarianism, though. I won't take the time here to revisit some atrocities that even our relatively enlightened republic has engaged in over the past two centuries.
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Right ... because your snarky little personal dig was so full of substance.
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It's a violation of common sense in every form of the word.
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Although I don't fear Bush as some of you do
I don't see how you fear his ability to gain control. The liberal press is on your side. He is fighting a very unpopular war and the public is against him.
If he had won the war. If their was democracy in the middle east. If the republicans had the congress and were sure to win the Presidency, then perhaps you could be concerned. I just hope whether it is the good judgement of the American public or luck that neither extreme of the parties get control. Perhaps if the religious right could gain control of the Country your fears would come to fruition. If the Michael Moores on the left got control of the country, my fears would come to fruition. Maybe I am naive, but the slippery slope isn't valid yet. |
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