03-08-2008, 02:46 PM | #31 | |
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I am not arguing that an entire state recount was the correct legal result, which is in part why I am not screaming on the street corner that "Gore won!" But it does seem pretty clear that he was the guy voters intended to elect in Florida. Florida had a crap system, confusing ballots and an overtly biased Secretary of State who did everything she could do to slant the results. In the end, Gore still could have won if he had successfully argued for the very method of recounting that Bush advocated. Oddly enough, neither the state nor the US Supreme Court adopted either approach advocated by Bush or Gore. |
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03-08-2008, 04:17 PM | #32 |
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If I'm Al Gore, I'm counting my lucky stars right now. After losing, he's become a billionaire, is a world-renowned Global Warming expert, respected by billions of people.
If he'd won, he would have had to deal with the terrorism thing, and everyone second-guessing everything he did, and the media attacking him constantly. Way more stressful and less rewarding, IMO. |
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Why do you think Gore didn't advocate that? Because he thought he would lose? Because of the massive headache it would've caused? You seem to ignore all the legal wrangling (dimpled chads, etc.) that went around the charade. Imagine Bush and Gore representatives and lawyers being dispatch to every precinct in the state. Imagine lawsuits filed over how to count this and that in every county. You talk like a recount would've just been a natural thing. "We'll be done by dinner, honey!" This is to say nothing of the fact that it wasn't supported by law (a point you concede). Democrats have a habit of wanting to change the rules after the fact. See Bob Torricelli 2002. See Hillary Clinton 2008 re: Florida, Michigan. All this is, of course, beside my original point, which is that the Supreme Court did not decide the election. Startlingly, even the New York Times conceded the point: Quote:
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03-14-2008, 05:30 AM | #35 | |
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I am arguing that the best measure of the will of the people of Florida would have been a complete recount of all votes cast, and Gore wins in that scenario. It would still be the best measure of the will of Floridians even if Bush won under that scenario. I really don't know why you would even argue that point. Why are you arguing that point? The law didn't support a statewide recount, so both Gore and Bush argued for a more limited version (i.e., the law produced a result that was less than perfect). Ironically, they both selected a choice that would have been a losing position if adopted. The courts ultimately decided on what the appropriate standard would be for the recount. That decision dictated who would win the presidency. In a very real sense, therefore, the courts decided the presidency. I also don't find this particularly debatable. And this isn't an issue of "changing the rules after the fact." Can you even point to a single statement of mine in this thread to support your accusation? I will happily wait for your evidence. |
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The result of that decision allowed a decision to be finalized, but it is foolish to say it decided the outcome. That's a wholesale misrepresentation of what happened. The outcome had already been decided.
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