Obama team announces gun control measures

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

It's really not that hard to understand, Barbara. One only sees it as a Chicken Little issue if one doesn't care about the 2nd Amendment.

Absolutely.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Absolutely.

If you're ok with an assault on gun rights, that's fine.

But I'm not ok with it. Not one bit. So for me, the sky is falling.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

If you're ok with an assault on gun rights, that's fine.

But I'm not ok with it. Not one bit. So for me, the sky is falling.

That's fine, but allusions to Orwellian dystopia seem somehow unwarranted.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

That's fine, but allusions to Orwellian dystopia seem somehow unwarranted.

It has to start somewhere.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

That's fine, but allusions to Orwellian dystopia seem somehow unwarranted.

Every where I look, Obama is signaling more government intrusion, more government oversight. That is a polar opposite of liberty.

Government intrusion represents, at least for me, a badly managed program, at exorbitant costs, with unseemly regulations, poor and inefficient delivery systems, harm to those intended to be helped and profits for those who didn't "need" them in the first place. I can hardly be comforted that Obama's register the nation philosophy should be popular with Oprah, not your argument, I know.

Gun rights to many are unimportant. I understand that. His cabinet selections are scaring the shit out of me. There is no joy in this man, just fear and division. His philosophy is creating a morgue and funeral. All of the worst politicians are rising to power all at once. Whatever hope I had in the goodness of the participants is completely and forever gone. Does Obama stand for any traditional liberty at all? Or is he as Mike depicts the biggest big government advocate and control freak around?

His vetting of employees is sickening. Show me all your internet activity.

[Ma'ake]

Here's an interesting argument from a conservative asserting the Heller decision was like Roe V Wade in terms of judicial overreach & activism

http://theleafchronicle.com/article/...TS24/811240304

I've always wondered why the pure-freedom crowd doesn't press for legalizing more powerful weaponry. I mean, if the objective is to possess the capacity to overthrow the government, AK-47s are like BB guns. It takes years to get to proficiency delivering weapons via an F-16. Why not let private citizens own one, own the ammo / missiles / napalm, get the training, even seek the weapons of their choice, such as Mig 29s or Sukhoi 30s.

If the 2nd Amendment means individual rights (and not just states' National Guards) it seems individuals should have full rights. Any dilution of individual rights is a capitulation to the anti-freedom crowd.

Right?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Ma'ake

Here's an interesting argument from a conservative asserting the Heller decision was like Roe V Wade in terms of judicial overreach & activism

http://theleafchronicle.com/article/...TS24/811240304

I've always wondered why the pure-freedom crowd doesn't press for legalizing more powerful weaponry. I mean, if the objective is to possess the capacity to overthrow the government, AK-47s are like BB guns. It takes years to get to proficiency delivering weapons via an F-16. Why not let private citizens own one, own the ammo / missiles / napalm, get the training, even seek the weapons of their choice, such as Mig 29s or Sukhoi 30s.

If the 2nd Amendment means individual rights (and not just states' National Guards) it seems individuals should have full rights. Any dilution of individual rights is a capitulation to the anti-freedom crowd.

Right?

In my opinion, the standard firearm of the national guardsmen should be legal for law-abiding citizens to own.

Obama, as smart as he is, has apparently never heard of totalitarianism, has never heard of governments turning against their people, has never heard of gun bans that proceeded genocide. Or maybe he has, and proceeds anyway.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

In my opinion, the standard firearm of the national guardsmen should be legal for law-abiding citizens to own.

Obama, as smart as he is, has apparently never heard of totalitarianism, has never heard of governments turning against their people, has never heard of gun bans that proceeded genocide. Or maybe he has, and proceeds anyway.

he knows it, he just supports a different style of totalitarianism.

[MikeWaters]

Eric Holder, probable AG, is a huge anti-gun guy, from the Janet Reno school of "tanks and guns first, questions later".

Some people are saying, "Dems arent' stupid enough to try this again." Sorry, yes they are. And they will.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Eric Holder, probable AG, is a huge anti-gun guy, from the Janet Reno school of "tanks and guns first, questions later".

Some people are saying, "Dems arent' stupid enough to try this again." Sorry, yes they are. And they will.

Holder was a terrible choice, if gun ownership rights matter. For those who wish to rid the world of guns, he was the perfect choice.