Obama: selfishness is not a virtue

[BlueHair]

This was taken from www.nationalpriorites.org. The one I find particularly interesting is Renewable Electricity. Utah has roughly 700,000 households so we could have purchased enough renewable energy to power every home for six years.


Taxpayers in Utah will pay $3.5 billion for total Iraq war spending approved to date. For the same amount of money, the following could have been provided:
1,202,702 People with Health Care for One Year OR
4,305,484 Homes with Renewable Electricity for One Year OR
85,849 Public Safety Officers for One year OR
68,197 Music and Arts Teachers for One Year OR
758,257 Scholarships for University Students for One Year OR
1,490,934 Children with Health Care for One Year OR
519,992 Head Start Places for Children for One Year OR
67,397 Elementary School Teachers for One Year OR

[Indy Coug]

Of course, if that money hadn't been allocated to the Iraq War, it simply would have been redirected to other wasteful government programs, and not in some pie-in-the-sky altruistic laundry list like the one you just provided.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

If we don't kill our enemies, who will?

I am hoping not to have any enemies. The "they hate us because we are free" line of thinking is moronic.

If we must kill our enemies, let's do it in a cheapest manner possible.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

How many of you guys honestly deal with the poor on a daily basis? Seriously?

I have to deal with myself. I'm poor compared to you rich bastards. I won't even come close this year to getting a tax increase under Obama's plan. I hope to get there soon!

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Of course, if that money hadn't been allocated to the Iraq War, it simply would have been redirected to other wasteful government programs, and not in some pie-in-the-sky altruistic laundry list like the one you just provided.

True. It's just an illustration of the kind of money we are wasting. We could do the same thing with most government spending. Which is why I don't like either major party. They are both big government money wasters. The only disagreement they have is where to spend the money.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by BlueHair

I am hoping not to have any enemies. The "they hate us because we are free" line of thinking is moronic.

If we must kill our enemies, let's do it in a cheapest manner possible.

I never said that they hate us because we're free.

I think the terrorists hate us because we're the ones who won't put up with their crap.

The war could have been cheaper if it had been treated as a war. Send the troops in and really kick ass without restraints. It would have been over quickly. But politicians got involved in running it.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by BlueHair

I have to deal with myself. I'm poor compared to you rich bastards. I won't even come close this year to getting a tax increase under Obama's plan. I hope to get there soon!

Don't worry. You'll get a tax increase. There is no way Obama can keep that lie going.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I never said that they hate us because we're free.

I think the terrorists hate us because we're the ones who won't put up with their crap.

The war could have been cheaper if it had been treated as a war. Send the troops in and really kick ass without restraints. It would have been over quickly. But politicians got involved in running it.

I wasn't accusing you of saying they hate us because we are free. I heard Bush say it in a speech. That's when I knew he was pulling stuff out of his ass.

This isn't a popular opinion, but I think the hate terrorists feel was provoked. We wouldn't take too kindly if another nation was constantly meddling in our affairs. In fact, if we were occupied by a foreign army, I would be a terrorist in their eyes. I think the invaders would find some pretty stiff resistance by any and all means possible. The U.S. is a bully in the eyes of the rest of the world.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by BlueHair

I wasn't accusing you of saying they hate us because we are free. I heard Bush say it in a speech. That's when I knew he was pulling stuff out of his ass.

This isn't a popular opinion, but I think the hate terrorists feel was provoked. We wouldn't take too kindly if another nation was constantly meddling in our affairs. In fact, if we were occupied by a foreign army, I would be a terrorist in their eyes. I think the invaders would find some pretty stiff resistance by any and all means possible. The U.S. is a bully in the eyes of the rest of the world.

I can agree that the world sees the U.S. as a bully.

My point - which I didn't make very clear - was that the U.S. didn't just turn away when the Towers were attacked. We went after those we felt were responsible - and used it as an excuse to oust a despot which was the wrong thing to do at the time - and reminded them that we won't back down from their acts.

I should have pointed out that that is one of a number of reasons they hate us.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I can agree that the world sees the U.S. as a bully.

Cool. We agree. Now if we could just get you to come over to cheer for God's team, the BYU Cougars.