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[hyrum]

Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas

ormons, who question doctrine and live on the fringe of belief, react or reply to scriptures warning the educated of their own intellectual snobbery?

How do people who blindly follow self-proclaimed prophets react or reply to scriptures warning of false prophets?

[Indy Coug]

Intellectual vs spiritual learning: the question is whether or not intellectuals are using the right tools for the job when they use intellectualism in the realm of the spiritual.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by hyrum

How do people who blindly follow self-proclaimed prophets react or reply to scriptures warning of false prophets?

Methinks the estimate of how many people truly "blindly follow" their leaders is grossly overstated.

[Solon]

Originally Posted by hyrum

How do people who blindly follow self-proclaimed prophets react or reply to scriptures warning of false prophets?

This is clever on so many levels. Kudos to hyrum.

[Sleeping in EQ]

A demonstration is in order:

"So that passage from 2nd Nephi 9...do you really think that a 7th Century Jew, traveling through the wilderness and in between plagiarizing Shakespeare and quoting passages of Isaiah that hadn't even been written yet, would get all bent out of shape over "the learned such and such?" That has 19th century class warfare written all over it. Elsewhere, if you pay attention, this Jew's brother will write something in French. Anyone with sense would bid the whole thing "adieu."

In all seriousness, my formal education has been the profound discovery of the fact that I know nothing. Intellectuals who live Christ-like lives, keep their covenants, don't restrict their tolerance for ambiguity to intellectual inquiry, and recognize the value of faith, can do just fine. Still, ultra-fundamentalists don't make it any easier for them to do so and they often have their own issues and questions. A vibrant scholarly community can be important. I suspect that Sunstone and the like keep more people in the Church than they push out of it.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by hyrum

How do people who blindly follow self-proclaimed prophets react or reply to scriptures warning of false prophets?

Those warning don't exist in LDS approved scriptures. Our insightful leaders removed them in order to shield us from such thoughts of potential apostacy.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ

A demonstration is in order:

"So that passage from 2nd Nephi 9...do you really think that a 7th Century Jew, traveling through the wilderness and in between plagiarizing Shakespeare and quoting passages of Isaiah that hadn't even been written yet, would get all bent out of shape over "the learned such and such?". That has 19th century class warfare written all over it. Elsewhere, if you pay attention, this Jew's brother will write something in French. Anyone with sense would bid the whole thing "adieu."

In all seriousness, my formal education has been the profound discovery of the fact that I know nothing. Intellectuals who live Christ-like lives, keep their covenants, don't restrict their tolerance for ambiguity to intellectual inquiry, and recognize the value of faith, can do just fine. Still, ultra-fundamentalists don't make it any easier for them to do so.

Excellent.

I also like your dialectic explanation of pedals on a bicycle.

For many Mormons, learning and the empirical approach often seems to be an either/or, a binary, proposition, instead of a soup, making certain the right ingredients are inserted to make it taste just right.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Methinks the estimate of how many people truly "blindly follow" their leaders is grossly overstated.

I agree with this statement. I have seen some on Cougarboard say there isn't much of an uproar anywhere else over Sister Becks talk except on the board and that is only the case because some people brought up the issue.

The other reason that there is no uproar is because not many people gave the talk a second thought one way or another.

For those worried that a lot of members wouldn't heed the council and place stay at home moms in a higher ranking than working moms, they should be worried. Most members didn't hear that council.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by hyrum

How do people who blindly follow self-proclaimed prophets react or reply to scriptures warning of false prophets?

I once asked Warren Jeffs that very question. He said false prophets would change the teachings of earlier prophets.

I told him that intellectually I think that is pure bull shit. He warned me about people who rely on intellect and not faith.