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All-American · 09-28-2008, 11:49 PM

By the way, CJ, I'm not so sure it was wise of you to start arguing football with SU.

It's REALLY going to hurt your strength of schedule.

SteelBlue · 09-28-2008, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Weber's quarterback is better than anyone BYU has faced this year, by quite a margin.

I'll be laughing about this one all day today.

cougjunkie · 09-28-2008, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Not really.

First Quarter: 86 yards 1 td. (Maybe they started their reserves since they were looking ahead to OSU?)

2nd quarter: 42 yards in the 2nd quarter (not to bad by Utah)

3rd quarter: 66 yards in the 3rd.

4th quarter:
1st drive: 3 and out pass broke up by Brice Mccain (not a backup)
2nd drive: 63 yards and a td, tackles made on the drive by Paul Kruger and Brice Mccain (not backups)
3rd drive: 54 yards (tackles made by all backups)

So he only threw for 257 yards against the starters.

8ballrollin · 09-29-2008, 12:05 AM

How do the MWC teams rank nationally in yards allowed/game? I don't have to link to it because we all know Utah is still probably tops in the conference.

The only thing that mattered on Saturday was not sustaining any injuries. The W was a foregone conclusion. I don't care how many points they gave up in the fourth quarter.

Utah still makes a lot of mistakes and isn't playing great football, yet. But I don't think they're a top fifteen team either. They're a top 20-25 team. That's reality. Just like the reality that BYU is not a top ten team.

Archaea · 09-29-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 8ballrollin

How do the MWC teams rank nationally in yards allowed/game? I don't have to link to it because we all know Utah is still probably tops in the conference.

The only thing that mattered on Saturday was not sustaining any injuries. The W was a foregone conclusion. I don't care how many points they gave up in the fourth quarter.

Utah still makes a lot of mistakes and isn't playing great football, yet. But I don't think they're a top fifteen team either. They're a top 20-25 team. That's reality. Just like the reality that BYU is not a top ten team.

Take what you can get. When they are a top ten team they may not receive the deserved recognition. In reality, other than three or four, most of the top twenty-five is interchangeable.

8ballrollin · 09-29-2008, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

In reality, other than three or four, most of the top twenty-five is interchangeable.

Well said.

cougjunkie · 09-29-2008, 12:26 AM

[quote=8ballrollin;271230]How do the MWC teams rank nationally in yards allowed/game? I don't have to link to it because we all know Utah is still probably tops in the conference.
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Total defense Utah is tops in the conference just ahead of TCU, Utah ranks 5th nationally which is very impressive. But total defense doesnt mean much, stopping teams from moving the ball has never won a team a game. Stopping them from scoring has.

Scoring Defense BYU is 8th in the country and they lead the MWC, Utah is a respectable 41st.

TCU, BYU and Utah all have stellar defensive numbers this year.

To be honest if I was a Ute fan my biggest concern right now would be ranking 93rd in the country in turnovers lost and 69th in turnover margin. That is similar to what happened to BYU last year and we know that it cost them a few close games.

8ballrollin · 09-29-2008, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cougjunkie

TCU, BYU and Utah all have stellar defensive numbers this year.

To be honest if I was a Ute fan my biggest concern right now would be ranking 93rd in the country in turnovers lost and 69th in turnover margin. That is similar to what happened to BYU last year and we know that it cost them a few close games.

Right. This is why I said they're not playing great football yet - too many turnovers, too many penalties; it's like watching the Raiders sometimes.

The turnovers and penalties play a role into the disparity between the total defense and scoring defense numbers for Utah. Without looking it up, I bet 60-70% of Utah's turnovers have been deep in their own territory - giving the other team a short field and more opportunities to score. Most of their TOs on special teams match the previous description.

Of course you have to stop your opponent when they're in the red zone, which Utah has not done, but that just goes back to my first point.

RockyBalboa · 09-29-2008, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cougjunkie

First Quarter: 86 yards 1 td. (Maybe they started their reserves since they were looking ahead to OSU?)

2nd quarter: 42 yards in the 2nd quarter (not to bad by Utah)

3rd quarter: 66 yards in the 3rd.

4th quarter:
1st drive: 3 and out pass broke up by Brice Mccain (not a backup)
2nd drive: 63 yards and a td, tackles made on the drive by Paul Kruger and Brice Mccain (not backups)
3rd drive: 54 yards (tackles made by all backups)

So he only threw for 257 yards against the starters.

Yep.

Ironically also BYU's scoring defense has given up 11 ppg....Utah's scoring defense has given up 19 ppg.

8ballrollin · 09-29-2008, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Yep.

Ironically also BYU's scoring defense has given up 11 ppg....Utah's scoring defense has given up 19 ppg.

Why is that ironic? Just asking.

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8ballrollin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: WA Posts: 1,287	How do the MWC teams rank nationally in yards allowed/game? I don't have to link to it because we all know Utah is still probably tops in the conference. The only thing that mattered on Saturday was not sustaining any injuries. The W was a foregone conclusion. I don't care how many points they gave up in the fourth quarter. Utah still makes a lot of mistakes and isn't playing great football, yet. But I don't think they're a top fifteen team either. They're a top 20-25 team. That's reality. Just like the reality that BYU is not a top ten team. __________________ "Five to one... One in five No one here gets out alive"

09-29-2008, 12:26 AM	#27
cougjunkie Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 5,741	[quote=8ballrollin;271230]How do the MWC teams rank nationally in yards allowed/game? I don't have to link to it because we all know Utah is still probably tops in the conference. quote] Total defense Utah is tops in the conference just ahead of TCU, Utah ranks 5th nationally which is very impressive. But total defense doesnt mean much, stopping teams from moving the ball has never won a team a game. Stopping them from scoring has. Scoring Defense BYU is 8th in the country and they lead the MWC, Utah is a respectable 41st. TCU, BYU and Utah all have stellar defensive numbers this year. To be honest if I was a Ute fan my biggest concern right now would be ranking 93rd in the country in turnovers lost and 69th in turnover margin. That is similar to what happened to BYU last year and we know that it cost them a few close games. __________________ LINCECUM!