Have you ever tried alcohol?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Hyrum, try to keep up. It might help your health.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NGMTI0B3U1.DTL

Thanks for finding that.

Drinkers who love to quote the bullshit French studies, don't know the flaws in many of these studies.

"Anyone who suggests that people should begin drinking, or drink more frequently, to reduce the risk of heart disease is misguided,'' he said.

If you want to drink, drink, but don't argue it's for your health. If you want to cut yourself, cut yourself, but argue it's healthy.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Violating the code of the group, ostracizes you from the group, whether externally or internally.

If the group is not important to you, get plastered, I don't care. But don't violate the codes and expect to be the Lord's scimitar in his church.

And that is where the "sin" is.

I have an apostate friend (not the fool you are thinking of) who mentioned that he and his wife were at a social function and it happened there was another Mormon couple at the table. At this time my friend and his wife were still married and nominally members of the church. They both ordered alcoholic drinks. He said the other couple looked uncomfortable and conversation became strained.

Why? Because the couple was flaunting the code. They were pissing on the identity. They were not showing any respect.

No one is perfect. I tell the story of the guy I helped to reactivate on my mission. He was an alcoholic, like many of you couldn't imagine. He began coming to church with us regularly. After a time, he was asked to be the Sunday School President. He told the Branch President, "But I still drink." The BP said "No one is perfect."

He did eventually beat the alcohol. The Lord doesn't expect us to be perfect, but he does expect us to make an effort in the areas that are holding us back.

Which couople was flaunting the code. Who was pissing on the identity? In my opinion the couple that acted uncomfortable and let the conversation become strained pissed on the identity, is that the couple you were referring to.

When you are baptized at age 8 are you making a committment that you will never drink in public unless you renounce your membership and get excommunicated first. I don't ever remember being taught that, but I could have missed that lesson.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Violating the code of the group, ostracizes you from the group, whether externally or internally.

If the group is not important to you, get plastered, I don't care. But don't violate the codes and expect to be the Lord's scimitar in his church.

And that is where the "sin" is.

I have an apostate friend (not the fool you are thinking of) who mentioned that he and his wife were at a social function and it happened there was another Mormon couple at the table. At this time my friend and his wife were still married and nominally members of the church. They both ordered alcoholic drinks. He said the other couple looked uncomfortable and conversation became strained.

Why? Because the couple was flaunting the code. They were pissing on the identity. They were not showing any respect.

No one is perfect.

This much of the post is good. The balance lapses into melodrama.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by BYU71

When you are baptized at age 8 are you making a committment that you will never drink in public unless you renounce your membership and get excommunicated first. I don't ever remember being taught that, but I could have missed that lesson.

It's just my opinion, that as a matter of respect, you ask the other Mormons if it is ok, at the very least.

SU said that he does not ever drink around his LDS family. For probably the same reasons I have described. It's bad enough that he is an enemy of the church, but having a beer in his hand at the reunion is an unwelcome reminder.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

It's just my opinion, that as a matter of respect, you ask the other Mormons if it is ok, at the very least.

SU said that he does not ever drink around his LDS family. For probably the same reasons I have described. It's bad enough that he is an enemy of the church, but having a beer in his hand at the reunion is an unwelcome reminder.

As I read your post I got the impression this was neither a mormon function or a family function. It is not like they got down and started fornicating in front of everyone.

What if a family I know believe in no diet coke and white shirts to formal functions. Out of repsect for them if I hear they are going to be at an event I drink water and wear a white shirt.

I totally understand if they are at a ward party, but it is ridiculous to expect every mormon has to flaunt the image in order to make other mormons comfortable.

I would hate to have someone tell me what I am doing isn't reflecting well on their religion. if I was at some function. It would be like if some guy walked up in a Casino and asked my to take off my BYU hat. I would tell him rather loudly to F off.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Which couople was flaunting the code. Who was pissing on the identity? In my opinion the couple that acted uncomfortable and let the conversation become strained pissed on the identity, is that the couple you were referring to.

When you are baptized at age 8 are you making a committment that you will never drink in public unless you renounce your membership and get excommunicated first. I don't ever remember being taught that, but I could have missed that lesson.

What's the matter with simple courtesy? When we were invited into an Saudi home for dinner, we ate with our right hand, didn't converse with the women and allowed them to pour tea into our cups even though we didn't drink it.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

What's the matter with simple courtesy? When we were invited into an Saudi home for dinner, we ate with our right hand, didn't converse with the women and allowed them to pour tea into our cups even though we didn't drink it.

Where did I say not to show courtesy. If you are invited to an LDS home, I think it is in bad taste to bring booze whether you are a member or non-member or inactive.

Waters example was at a social function where they bumped into some mormons. Doesn't sound like a mormon gathering to me. Why shouldn't the mormon couple show a little courtesy and not be offended.

I guess if you are at Catholic function and they are drinking wine they should all defer to the mormon couple and stop drinking. Like I said if they are rolling around on the floor and fornicating that is one thing. If you don't like to see people drink, stick to functions where alcohol isn't served.

[landpoke]

I chose "Heavy Drinker" due to the flaw in the poll pointed out by Hyrum above. My drinking falls in that happy somewhere between occasional and heavy.

[UtahDan]

I had rum cake once. Damn it had a lot of rum in it. I think that counts.

[MikeWaters]

I had rum cake too once. From the smell of it, not a lot of etoh baked out.