Oklahoma and the 84 Nat'l Championship

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

However, I warn to you to critically think before you read the rest of this post. If you hold the Utenation belief that BYU is responsible for the BCS sacred, just like the belief that your galaxy leading bowl win percentages for any team that has played in 20, ooops my baaaaad 10, bowl games is proof of your programs power, then you might want to skip this post.


I guess you chose to wade forward. God bless you even Wayne Howard would have given up by now and asked all his LDS friends how they could be Mormon and why the LDS Church had not adopted a 14th Article of Faith that "We believe we should stop trying in games where we have a big lead." But hey if lying and accusing others of being bigots is one's thing, Ndiye to ya!

In the early 1970's I believe Alabama and USC were both undefeated and yet were unable to play each other with the SEC being contractually bound for the Sugar Bowl and Pac-8 contractually bound for Rose Bowl. I believe there was a similar deal in the early 90's with Colorado and Washington, might have been Georgia Tech? Regardless, these events resulted in split National Championships. There was no move to eradicate these situations until well into the 90's when humongous TV revenues, and ladies knockers, became the rage of the land. As Miss America 1983 demonstrated a flat Scando Mormon babe can become the epitome of beautiful, 1984 clearly makes it obvious that TV revenues did not provide the cash to tell contractually bound bowl masters to piss off!

I think to evaluate 1984 it is best done with the perspective of pre huge cash payouts from TV.

I feel like I just read a SIEQ post but the philosphers were substituted for porn stars.

I'm not sure what you just said, but I agree whole heartedly. I think also a good example was the year (mid 90's) two teams finished undefeated, I'm thinking it was Nebraska and Michigan. These kinds of issues drove the formation of the BCS--not the haunting distant memory of giving up the MNC to BYU in '84.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

However, I warn to you to critically think before you read the rest of this post. If you hold the Utenation belief that BYU is responsible for the BCS sacred, just like the belief that your galaxy leading bowl win percentages for any team that has played in 20, ooops my baaaaad 10, bowl games is proof of your programs power, then you might want to skip this post.


I guess you chose to wade forward. God bless you even Wayne Howard would have given up by now and asked all his LDS friends how they could be Mormon and why the LDS Church had not adopted a 14th Article of Faith that "We believe we should stop trying in games where we have a big lead." But hey if lying and accusing others of being bigots is one's thing, Ndiye to ya!

In the early 1970's I believe Alabama and USC were both undefeated and yet were unable to play each other with the SEC being contractually bound for the Sugar Bowl and Pac-8 contractually bound for Rose Bowl. I believe there was a similar deal in the early 90's with Colorado and Washington, might have been Georgia Tech? Regardless, these events resulted in split National Championships. There was no move to eradicate these situations until well into the 90's when humongous TV revenues, and ladies knockers, became the rage of the land. As Miss America 1983 demonstrated a flat Scando Mormon babe can become the epitome of beautiful, 1984 clearly makes it obvious that TV revenues did not provide the cash to tell contractually bound bowl masters to piss off!

I think to evaluate 1984 it is best done with the perspective of pre huge cash payouts from TV.

I've heard that something of significance in the BYU football history happened in 1984, though it was never talked about in Italy so it must not have been as important as my good zoob father indicates.

That said, I'll play along and assume that it actually happened.

Back then, there really was no way for a team to get out of a bowl game because of the contract with the conference, but that's beside the point. My understanding - had this really happened - was that Washington and/or Oklahoma felt themselves too important to play in the piddly Holiday Bowl (which in reality translates they were too chickenshit to play the BYU) and therefore, the BYU had to play the outstanding 6-5 Michigan team -which also begrudgingly accepted to play in that game. (Perhaps Michigan did accept the invitation because the weather is a bit more nice in San Diego in December than it is in Ann Arbor?) Had Oklahoma or Washington had the guts to play the BYU, it might have put to rest the argument that BYU wasn't a deserving mythical champion had the Cougars played and defeated either of those teams.

Again, this is assuming that college football really did take place that year.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I've heard that something of significance in the BYU football history happened in 1984, though it was never talked about in Italy so it must not have been as important as my good zoob father indicates.

That said, I'll play along and assume that it actually happened.

Back then, there really was no way for a team to get out of a bowl game because of the contract with the conference, but that's beside the point. My understanding - had this really happened - was that Washington and/or Oklahoma felt themselves too important to play in the piddly Holiday Bowl (which in reality translates they were too chickenshit to play the BYU) and therefore, the BYU had to play the outstanding 6-5 Michigan team -which also begrudgingly accepted to play in that game. (Perhaps Michigan did accept the invitation because the weather is a bit more nice in San Diego in December than it is in Ann Arbor?) Had Oklahoma or Washington had the guts to play the BYU, it might have put to rest the argument that BYU wasn't a deserving mythical champion had the Cougars played and defeated either of those teams.

Again, this is assuming that college football really did take place that year.

Oklahoma was also contracually bound. It was Nebraska that was skeert to play the Cougars.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

Oklahoma was also contracually bound. It was Nebraska that was skeert to play the Cougars.

Got it. Again, I get all my info about this from my Dad. His idea of accurate reporting is using terms like "that team that has gold helmets" and "the coach of that team from another state".

I always had the feeling that the Cornhuskers were wimps.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by Lisa.Kinzer

Yeah, I'm really having to hold the librarian at bay here.

You guys are citing so many historical inaccuracies simultaneously that it's making my head hurt. But it's a football board, that's the point, right?

But, seriously, the article on the Holiday Bowl's desperation to find an opponent did NOT list which seven teams declined offers. It DID list their excuses, which I'm thinking were covers for "we don't want to risk getting stomped by a mid-major."

But I'm totally with Il Padrino Ute here. I can barely remember 1984 (except the book, which is different), so I'm having to take everybody's word that all this happened, and that it was apparently a Really Big Deal.

I haven't had the nerve to ask my parents' input on this one. I'm guessing they remember like it was yesterday, and if I brought it up, they'd still be talking about it sometime next year...

I can assure you that Nebraska and Washington were two of the teams offered.

I was there, I was 12 and I saw Porter Rockwell wearing a big pin with a picture of Cosmo declaring "We're #1!" Brother Port also had a beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other. He occasionally lost a few precious drops while he voraciously led the crowd in "We're #1...We're #1!" cheers. His hair was long and shaggy, much unlike the Okies from Muskogee. It was one of the greatest spiritual experiences of my life and if not for the presence of what I am assuming is a lady, I would really describe how the event made me feel...even if that was before Molly Ringwold entered my subconsciousness...suffice it to say that all memories of the Holiday Bowl in 1984 for Cougarfans should include the obligatory about what to do if the conditions persist for more than 4 hours.

CTR.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by Lisa.Kinzer

Yeah, I'm really having to hold the librarian at bay here.

You guys are citing so many historical inaccuracies simultaneously that it's making my head hurt. But it's a football board, that's the point, right?

But, seriously, the article on the Holiday Bowl's desperation to find an opponent did NOT list which seven teams declined offers. It DID list their excuses, which I'm thinking were covers for "we don't want to risk getting stomped by a mid-major."

But I'm totally with Il Padrino Ute here. I can barely remember 1984 (except the book, which is different), so I'm having to take everybody's word that all this happened, and that it was apparently a Really Big Deal.

I haven't had the nerve to ask my parents' input on this one. I'm guessing they remember like it was yesterday, and if I brought it up, they'd still be talking about it sometime next year...

By the way, back in the good old days no one used the term "mid major." Well, at least not in regards to football. The term back then only applied to basketball and referred to teams like Weber State who were from conferences that were Division 1 in basketball but 1-AA in football. :-)

[BarbaraGordon]

Not to run this thread into the ground, but I finally asked my parents about this matter.

As I suspected, strong feelings. But that's not my point.

Dad said that there was so much animosity toward Switzer that some place in Utah actually named a sewage facility after him. Does anyone know if this is true or just urban legend?

[SoCalCoug]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Not to run this thread into the ground, but I finally asked my parents about this matter.

As I suspected, strong feelings. But that's not my point.

Dad said that there was so much animosity toward Switzer that some place in Utah actually named a sewage facility after him. Does anyone know if this is true or just urban legend?

That's true. The "Barry Switzer Bowl"

We have such a persecution complex.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Not to run this thread into the ground, but I finally asked my parents about this matter.

As I suspected, strong feelings. But that's not my point.

Dad said that there was so much animosity toward Switzer that some place in Utah actually named a sewage facility after him. Does anyone know if this is true or just urban legend?

lol...if that were true there'd be an article about it somewhere wouldn't there?

[SoCalCoug]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

lol...if that were true there'd be an article about it somewhere wouldn't there?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...52C0A963948260

Yep.