08-14-2008, 08:05 AM | #21 | |
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I don't believe in selectively sustaining church leadership. If that's the way it works, why even bother sustaining them at all? What would be the point? I never raised my hand to sustain them with the idea that I was only going to support church leadership when I feel like it, or only so long as they do things my way. Everybody screws up, but you should at least do your best to minimize the screw ups, and I'm doing my best. |
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08-14-2008, 01:47 PM | #22 | |
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You get it, unfortunately there are meny in here who don't. Just as GBH said in your quote above, there is no room for gray areas in the Lords church, it's all black or white, either you are for God or you are against him. God is the one who has said that Homosexuality is an abomination, now man says that God is wrong. Slippery slope trying to compare this to the LDS stance long ago on blacks, I can't seem to recall the good books telling us that God is against black people, yet there it is written about homosexuality being wrong. Hate the sin not the sinner, and not allowing sinners to get a strangle hold on society is not about hating them, just not tolerating their actions, and letting them be given equal stature to Gods eternal plan for families. Flame away but if you truly sustain the brethren in SLC you know that what they are saying is true concering this matter, and that Gods house is an house of order. |
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08-14-2008, 01:59 PM | #23 |
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I did not like the old man [Elder Pelatiah Brown] being called up for erring in doctrine. It looks too much like the Methodist, and not like the Latter-day Saints. Methodists have creeds which a man must believe or be asked out of their church. I want the liberty of thinking and believing as I please. It feels so good not to be trammelled. It does not prove that a man is not a good man because he errs in doctrine. (Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 vols. 5:3
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08-14-2008, 02:08 PM | #24 |
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Sorry, but I just don't buy off on this argument that sustaining leaders equals unequivacal obedience to their direction. Joseph Smith even said teach the people correct principles and let them govern themselves. It is up to me to discern whether to follow counsel or not.
I would not have followed the counsel re: ERA, and I will not follow the counsel here. It isn't my responsibility to follow and hope that the church isn't wrong, but feel safe because I know if they are wrong, then the church's PR machine will clean up the mess. No, I will exercise my own discretion. |
08-14-2008, 02:26 PM | #25 | |
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08-14-2008, 02:28 PM | #26 | |
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Again,no good reason given how this impacts the safety and sanctity of heterosexual marriage. I'm not following along with what the church is asking, and frankly I expect to not be considered disloyal for exercising that discretion. By the way, the history of the church quote above is superb. |
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08-14-2008, 02:31 PM | #27 | |
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08-14-2008, 02:31 PM | #28 | |
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No thanks. That plan sounds vaguely familiar......and surely I will do it...that one soul shall not be lost....
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