![]() |
|
![]() |
#1 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 5,996
![]() |
![]() Quote:
I agree we can't dwell too much on the past. We need to be constructive in dealing with the future. The only caveat, I think, is that we do need to hold politicians responsible for this fiasco. While I wouldn't have voted Republican before, I most certainly could not do so now. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#2 | |
Assistant to the Regional Manager
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: The Orgasmatron
Posts: 24,338
![]() |
![]() Quote:
"Hold them responsible". Why? Let's listen to solutions without worrying about past, unless you believe that the past is always a predictor of the future. UtahDan hit the key question on the head. Can we find a solution? I've not heard anybody discuss real solutions, especially not Democrats and probably not Republicans. We have no statemen, none. They are all just blamers, "who want to hold somebody responsible." No solutions here, move along.
__________________
Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#3 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 5,996
![]() |
![]() Quote:
Why hold them responsible? I would have thought the answer to that to be fairly self explanatory. Aren't you disenchanted with the government for, among other reasons, a lack of accountability? If people make mistakes as vast as those being made in Iraq, would your solution be to simply re-elect them and move on as if nothing happened? When you say you have not heard anyone discuss solutions ("especially democrats and probably not republicans") I wonder why your "solution" would be to continue voting in the very people who have already definitively messed things up. While it is a POSSIBILITY Democrats would also screw things up, Republicans have already PROVEN they will screw things up. Given the absence of arguments about how either party would make things better (your words, not mine), I would think the starting point would be to say we won't continue doing what we are doing since it most certainly isn't working. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#4 |
Assistant to the Regional Manager
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: The Orgasmatron
Posts: 24,338
![]() |
![]()
The alternative always could be worse.
The bottom line that most people ignore is the daily affect politicians have upon our lives. Taxes is the number one influence. To the extent government negatively impacts the economy,(truly a hard matter to measure because of the complexity of an economy such ours), it has an impact upon us. There is no hope for better, only worse. To the extent other invasions into our daily lives they impact us. The Democrats constanly seek raises in taxes. That is the number reason to vote against Democrats because you know they will always increase to pay for their masturbating programs, figuratively, in order to buy more votes. We know Reps have pork as well, any party does. But the Dems are more malicious these days than the Reps. So even though the Reps have screwed up many things, inviting the Dems is inviting the government to get bigger and for even bigger screw ups. It's the axiom if you think it can't be worse, it can. Better the devils we know than those we don't. Never ever trust a pretty word from a politician. It will cost you and worsen your life.
__________________
Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#5 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 5,996
![]() |
![]() Quote:
I am curious if you are aware that the biggest spikes in the national debt have always come during Republican administrations. I am also curious if you realize that as the debt climbs, a method to pay down the interest on that debt must be found. That method frequently must take the form of a tax hike. Unless you are in the top income tax brackets, you have nothing to fear from Democrats' tax raises. Your post epitomizes our differences. You always think things can be (and inevitably will be) worse. I tend to believe they can be better. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#6 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 961
![]() |
![]() Quote:
The tighty-white house has some serious stains. It is time to change the drawers. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#7 |
Assistant to the Regional Manager
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: The Orgasmatron
Posts: 24,338
![]() |
![]()
I couldn't vote Democrat, not unless we had a Jeffersonian Democrat, as the reason the Reps are screwing up is they are acting like wanna be Dems and the Dems will only be worse.
It's the choice between two evils with only a slightly lesser evil being the Reps. The Dems are obviously much, much worse. If Stresenberg (sp?) of pre Nazi Germany were bad, does that mean I should choose the Nazi party just for change?
__________________
Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#8 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 961
![]() |
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#9 |
Assistant to the Regional Manager
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: The Orgasmatron
Posts: 24,338
![]() |
![]()
I am destroying my party?
No, I am being pragmatic, not philosophical. If I could lose fifty dollars as opposed to twenty dollars on a transaction, even though I loathe losing twenty I will choose to lose twenty dollars. The Bush Medicare drugs idea was stupid, the war was ill-advised, the failure to address energy needs is ill-advised, the Patriot Act is moronic, the handling of the disasters has been bad, and so on, but The Bush group has held the line on taxes, two apparently good Supreme Court justices have been appointed, and perhaps other incidentals. While Clinton existed, I can think of no help for business, taxes rose, regulation rose and the general business atmosphere was illusory. There are no legitimate third party groups. What is a third party group in a non-parliamentary system? A loser. No thanks, I'll voice my displeasure and vote for the lesser of two evils. If a Jeffersonian Democrat existed, I'd vote that way, but the gay agenda killed Jeffersonians.
__________________
Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#10 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 5,996
![]() |
![]() Quote:
Robin is absolutely correct. You have clearly become completely disenchanted with our current political climate, yet your solution is to continue patronizing that political climate by supporting a party that you find to be only slightly better than a group you equate to the Nazis in Germany. Vote for a third party. Get involved yourself. Do SOMETHING different than what you are doing right now. If you can't stand the way things are, and yet you continue to support the way things currently are through your vote, you are doomed to remain disgruntled. You are starting to sound like a man who is banging his head against the wall only to complain that his head hurts. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Bookmarks |
|
|