Who is the more formidable candidate?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by RedHeadGal

I agree with you that Obama is the virtually the presumptive nominee. However, I disagree that in the unlikely event that Clinton gets the nomination by taking it to the convention that it would be a disaster. Or that she can't raise any more money.

She can raise money, or rather Bill raises it for her. And she is a bulldog, but you are underestimating the resentment building on both sides by the prolonged trench warfare. If McCain wins, who doesn't strike fear into the hearts of anybody and he's not hated, the sideliners will be the reason the Dems lose it.

[Sleeping in EQ]

It will be interesting to see if more overt racism is deployed against Obama. There are plenty of white people who, if you ask them to name racists, list a bunch of black people. They do this, apparently, without noticing the irony of their own actions. With the whirlwind of the election, such persons may not be able to help themselves.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

I've long been of the opinion that Clinton is easier to beat, mostly because of her high negatives (and not just among Republicans). But Obama is proving to be as inexperienced and elitist as his minimal record suggests, and that bodes well.

A lot of "who is more electable" turns on issues. If national security proves to be a significant issue (and I think it will), Obama is definitely the weaker candidate.

Nah. The economy is clearly the biggest issue right now, and McCain, by his own admission (on multiple occasions), knows nothing about the economy and has no actual plan for the economy. He will get creamed on the issue. On national security, you will see Obama select someone that has credentials in that area. My money is on Jim Webb.

Nice use of the Republican talking points, though.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by RedHeadGal

I agree with you that Obama is the virtually the presumptive nominee. However, I disagree that in the unlikely event that Clinton gets the nomination by taking it to the convention that it would be a disaster. Or that she can't raise any more money.

How do you envision Clinton becoming the nominee without destroying the party? And if she can raise lots of money, where will it come from?

[MikeWaters]

I would like to see Hillary and McCain in the octagon. That would be good.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Nah. The economy is clearly the biggest issue right now, and McCain, by his own admission (on multiple occasions), knows nothing about the economy and has no actual plan for the economy. He will get creamed on the issue. On national security, you will see Obama select someone that has credentials in that area. My money is on Jim Webb.

Nice use of the Republican talking points, though.

Economy may be an issue too, given the slow down, but I don't think Obama's credentials are that impressive there, either. And VP candidates don't really matter.

Maybe you could save us the time of reading your posts, and just link directly to Obama press releases.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Nah. The economy is clearly the biggest issue right now, and McCain, by his own admission (on multiple occasions), knows nothing about the economy and has no actual plan for the economy. He will get creamed on the issue. On national security, you will see Obama select someone that has credentials in that area. My money is on Jim Webb.

Nice use of the Republican talking points, though.

I agree McCain is weaker on the economy than I would like, which is why we might be surprised and see Romney get the V.P. nomination to bolster his economic credentials and maybe actually create a plan, but I disagree Obama is strong.

Let's see, raise taxes, regulate, create new bureaucracies in health care and other industries, and general strangle the economy through micromanagement. That sounds like a great plan.

Both of them are lost. Obama speaks better but he still doesn't have a clue.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

Economy may be an issue too, given the slow down, but I don't think Obama's credentials are that impressive there, either. And VP candidates really don't matter.

Maybe you could save us the time of reading your posts, and just link directly to Obama press releases.

"Economy may be an issue too?" lol! Nice insight. I think I should link you to Obama press releases. Clearly you need to be reading something.

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Obama, and it isn't even close. Putting aside whatever you feel about either candidate, the only way Clinton becomes the nominee is by getting the superdelegates to overturn the vote of the people, which in turn destroys the party completely. The convention would be a disaster with, I would imagine, hundreds of delegates boycotting. Fundraising would dry up (it already has for her with the exception of the brief bump she will enjoy from Penn). Her donors are already 100% tapped out. She can't win at this point. Obama can. So even if you think Obama has a 0.0000001% chance of winning, that makes him more electable.

I think I'll agree that Obama has a slight edge (it IS close, however).

Question for you, though. Why in the world did the Democrats come up with this "superdelegate" system if everyone thinks they should just go with the popular vote? I actually think Hillary has a point in her argument that the point of the superdelegates is to make an intelligent decision regarding the nominee. The superdelegates are in a position where they can ignore delegate counts from places like Utah (which the Dems will never win anyway) and look at the delegates from the battleground states. They also can consider the fact that Obama is still a relative unknown--all the dirt is already out on Hillary. Which is why it's close--Obama has NOT yet been under the microscope as Hillary has.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

"Economy may be an issue too?" lol! Nice insight. I think I should link you to Obama press releases. Clearly you need to be reading something.

*shrug* Perhaps. I'd wager I know as much about the economy as Obama does.