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MikeWaters · 01-08-2008, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Seattle, did you see Chris Hitchens wrote a piece today on Obama and race and what it says about us as a people?

He read the review.

Here is the actual article.

http://www.slate.com/id/%202181460/

BarbaraGordon · 01-08-2008, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

He read the review.

That was funny.

MikeWaters · 01-08-2008, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

That was funny.

btw, my avatar does not approve of the slam in the Hitchens article.

myboynoah · 01-08-2008, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

One of the good things about Obama being elected president is that everyone, Sharpton-types and race baiting FMCoug-types alike, will have to recognize that since a black man can be elected president in this country race is no longer a limitation to ANYONE reaching the highest levels of success.

You really are a utopian. It would be a feel good story, but will have limited effect on day to day race relations in America. The underlying problems that plague race-relations will remain. You should leave your white-bread upper-class Seattle high society and check out the rest of the country.

MikeWaters · 01-08-2008, 03:33 AM

I predict Obama invites Romney to run as VP, and that Obama joins the church 2 months before the election in order to "unite" the ticket.

SeattleUte · 01-08-2008, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Seattle, did you see Chris Hitchens wrote a piece today on Obama and race and what it says about us as a people?

This one?

http://www.slate.com/id/2181460

You know, I both agree with him and think he's making much ado about nothing. Obama is not a black candidate like Jesse Jackson was a black candidate. He doesn't seem to me to identify himself with African American special interests the way Jackson did, and I don't see that blacks or whites regard him as a "black" candidate that way. He wouldn't be in the driver's seat if he were that kind of candidate.

It seems to me Obama is succeeding in part because he has has not made too much out of being a "black" candidate. For the most part I give him credit for being color neutral. (No, I don't plan to vote for him.) Whatever Hitchins, Archaea, or FMCoug think, being black is a greater hindrance than a benefit to a presiential candidate. If you doubt that just look at some of the commments that have been made here today, such as FMCoug's or Archaea's, which is what I think is pathetic.

There is a strong tradition of religious fervor among blacks that often spills into their civic life, and this seems to annoy the bejesus out of Hitchins. That clearly is in part what inspired this column. Well, I share a lot of opinions with Hitchins, but unlike him I don't believe religion is unalloyed evil. We wouldn't be where we are without it, and I think the human condition has never been better overall, despite the persistent widespread suffering. That Hitchins can't see this makes him in this respect as oblivious as a lot of religious zombies I know.

SeattleUte · 01-08-2008, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by myboynoah

You really are a utopian. It would be a feel good story, but will have limited effect on day to day race relations in America. The underlying problems that plague race-relations will remain. You should leave your white-bread upper-class Seattle high society and check out the rest of the country.

I'm not utopian. I think actually it would disappoint the Sharpton types. It's really a line for the whites: Who needs affirmative action? A black man has been elected president. On the other hand, if he's a decent president maybe the racists will learn something.

BarbaraGordon · 01-08-2008, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

It seems to me Obama is succeeding in part because he has has not made too much out of being a "black" candidate. For the most part I give him credit for being color neutral. (No, I don't plan to vote for him.) Whatever Hitchins, Archaea, or FMCoug think, being black is a greater hindrance than a benefit to a presiential candidate. If you doubt that just look at some of the commments that have been made here today, such as FMCoug's or Archaea's, which is what I think is pathetic.

That's exactly right. He refuses to be defined by race. He refuses to play the race card, and he fights anyone who tries to play it on his behalf.

SeattleUte · 01-08-2008, 03:48 AM

I wonder if anyone even claims to understand all of Hitichins' rant. He's quite a lost, angry and wayward soul. Apostatizing from paleo liberalism to support Bush's war, and how the war has turned out and all, has left him very lonely and kind of with a screw loose. I understand he's drinking as much as ever.

SeattleUte · 01-08-2008, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

That's exactly right. He refuses to be defined by race. He refuses to play the race card, and he fights anyone who tries to play it on his behalf.

Hence, when I read Hitchins' diatribe I thought, "Holy Jesus, what's gotten into him?"

01-08-2008, 03:48 AM	#19
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	I wonder if anyone even claims to understand all of Hitichins' rant. He's quite a lost, angry and wayward soul. Apostatizing from paleo liberalism to support Bush's war, and how the war has turned out and all, has left him very lonely and kind of with a screw loose. I understand he's drinking as much as ever. __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster

01-08-2008, 03:33 AM	#15
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I predict Obama invites Romney to run as VP, and that Obama joins the church 2 months before the election in order to "unite" the ticket.