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RC Vikings · 02-14-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

I don't see Hillary winning at all. Which states do you think will turn blue?

NM, NV, CO, LA, MO, OH and FL

Detroitdad · 02-14-2008, 04:32 PM

McCain is the only guy that we could possibly lose to. Ya'll should be thankful that you have a chance. The fact that he won the nomination relatively easily should tell you all you need to know about the status of the conservative movement and the (percieved) damage that GWB has done to it.

Tex · 02-14-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Detroitdad

McCain is the only guy that we could possibly lose to. Ya'll should be thankful that you have a chance. The fact that he won the nomination relatively easily should tell you all you need to know about the status of the conservative movement and the (percieved) damage that GWB has done to it.

Heh, I don't think it's nearly so cut-and-dried. We didn't realize it at the time, but what really killed 2008 conservative candidates was 2006. The backlash of the '06 election has hurt, perhaps more than any other single factor.

Hopefully it's a lesson to Republicans who departed from the party ideology that got them there.

Detroitdad · 02-14-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

Heh, I don't think it's nearly so cut-and-dried. We didn't realize it at the time, but what really killed 2008 conservative candidates was 2006. The backlash of the '06 election has hurt, perhaps more than any other single factor.

Hopefully it's a lesson to Republicans who departed from the party ideology that got them there.

Well, 2006 seemed an awful lot like a culmination of a decade or so in power, combined with the spectacular unpopularity of GWB. As an outsider and disbeliever of the orthodox conservative ideology it also seemed like the fruition and fulfillment of an ideology that is indistinct and frankly, when in full or partial effect, unpopular with all but a fraction of the voting public.

But that may be wishful thinking on my part.

Tex · 02-14-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Detroitdad

Well, 2006 seemed an awful lot like a culmination of a decade or so in power, combined with the spectacular unpopularity of GWB. As an outsider and disbeliever of the orthodox conservative ideology it also seemed like the fruition and fulfillment of an ideology that is indistinct and frankly, when in full or partial effect, unpopular with all but a fraction of the voting public.

But that may be wishful thinking on my part.

Indeed, since conservatism has ruled the nation, in full or in part, for most of the last 30 years. Hard to say the same of any other ideology, especially liberalism.

2006 was a rejection of Republicans by Republicans. Had more R's turned out to vote for their man, Nancy and Harry would still be in the minority. While I detest the idea of Speaker Pelosi and President Hillary (or President McCain, for that matter), these things go in cycles. I have no doubt we'll rediscover our conservative footing after a setback or two.

UtahDan · 02-14-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

McCain wins in November. You heard it here first.

Now I see Dan didn't vote for Hillary as a strategic move to help the most vulnreable democrat take Virginia. He likes them democrats.

Oh I'll pull the lever for McCain, but I think it will do about as much good as pulling the lever for Hillary did on Tuesday.

McCain is very hawkish not just on Iraq but also on Iran. I don't think the distaste (though I believe it to be at least a little irrational) for the application of military power can be underestimated. The democrat machine has not begun to paint McCain as "four more years of the same" in earnest yet, but it will and it will be effective.

RC Vikings · 02-14-2008, 05:50 PM

The 100 year quote will kill McCain.

SoonerCoug · 02-14-2008, 05:52 PM

If Obama is the nominee, I predict the biggest landslide victory in over 100 years.

myboynoah · 02-14-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SoonerCoug

If Obama is the nominee, I predict the biggest landslide victory in over 100 years.

You do realize that in 1984, hallowed be that year, Mondale carrried only Minnesota and the District of Columbia, don't you?

McCain could pick Huckabee and still do better than that.

Tex · 02-14-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SoonerCoug

If Obama is the nominee, I predict the biggest landslide victory in over 100 years.

Evidence that a man's historical perspective begins with the day he was born.

View Poll Results: How much will McCain lose by?
1% or less.	2	11.11%
2-5%	2	11.11%
5-10%	7	38.89%
10% or more.	4	22.22%
I am in denial.	3	16.67%
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02-14-2008, 04:32 PM	#12
Detroitdad Resident Jackass Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Roswell, New Mexico Posts: 1,846	McCain is the only guy that we could possibly lose to. Ya'll should be thankful that you have a chance. The fact that he won the nomination relatively easily should tell you all you need to know about the status of the conservative movement and the (percieved) damage that GWB has done to it.

02-14-2008, 05:50 PM	#17
RC Vikings Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rexburg, Idaho Posts: 2,236	The 100 year quote will kill McCain.

02-14-2008, 05:52 PM	#18
SoonerCoug Formerly known as MudPhudCoug Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Land of desolation Posts: 2,548	If Obama is the nominee, I predict the biggest landslide victory in over 100 years.