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il Padrino Ute · 11-20-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by smokymountainrain

Utah has been far better than BYU all year at creating TOs. It's my biggest worry going into the game.

And who cares if Utah needs trick plays in order to win? If trick plays help you win, isn't that the point of playing the game? Isn't a play action pass a trick play? Are teams not supposed to use play action passes? How about an end around?

Trick plays are a part of the game, but I was under the impression that PAP was talking about more obvious trick plays, like flea flickers, etc. It's his M. O. to make comments like that.

8ballrollin · 11-20-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by smokymountainrain

Isn't a play action pass a trick play? Are teams not supposed to use play action passes? How about an end around?

And don't forget the pump fake. The pump fake is a trick play for gimmick offenses.

smokymountainrain · 11-20-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Trick plays are a part of the game, but I was under the impression that PAP was talking about more obvious trick plays, like flea flickers, etc. It's his M. O. to make comments like that.

I'm not sure what he was referring to, but my point is that they are part of the game as you just mentioned. Even the more "obvious" trick plays like flea flickers, fake punts/FGs, etc are part of the game just as the more common trick plays like bootlegs, end arounds and play action passes are part of the game.

I just don't understand the fuss over trick plays or why some people like to think that they cheapen a win.

8ballrollin · 11-20-2007, 05:22 PM

I think the opening line was BYU - 4.5. So if you take away HFA, it's basically a pick'em, as far as the line goes.

smokymountainrain · 11-20-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 8ballrollin

And don't forget the pump fake. The pump fake is a trick play for gimmick offenses.

exactly. Any team whose QB uses a pump fake, can't win straight up so they have to resort to that "garbage".

cougjunkie · 11-20-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 8ballrollin

I think the opening line was BYU - 4.5. So if you take away HFA, it's basically a pick'em, as far as the line goes.

3 points for homefield, so -1.5, which rounds up to 2, so 33-31 sounds good to me.

Insensitive PAP · 11-20-2007, 06:16 PM

I don't care that they use trick plays. I'm just saying that Utah can't beat us by playing straight forward football. We have an advantage in straight up physical confrontation. It's not a slam on Utah. I'm just saying they can't just line up and run it down our throats or rely on Johnson to just drop back and pick out WRs. Misdirection is a big factor of their success. They don't have a gamebreaker like Casteel or Ganther in the line up that can't whip you with his athleticism.

On the other side, I'll be really surprised if BYU runs many trick plays. It's just not a big part of how we play. We rarely even runs screens, and almost never run reverses or throw backs. What you see is what you get with BYU. We just try to come at you with a game speed that you aren't used to and hope to execute our offense better than you execute your defense.

RockyBalboa · 11-20-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Insensitive PAP

I don't care that they use trick plays. I'm just saying that Utah can't beat us by playing straight forward football. We have an advantage in straight up physical confrontation. It's not a slam on Utah. I'm just saying they can't just line up and run it down our throats or rely on Johnson to just drop back and pick out WRs. Misdirection is a big factor of their success. They don't have a gamebreaker like Casteel or Ganther in the line up that can't whip you with his athleticism.

On the other side, I'll be really surprised if BYU runs many trick plays. It's just not a big part of how we play. We rarely even runs screens, and almost never run reverses or throw backs. What you see is what you get with BYU. We just try to come at you with a game speed that you aren't used to and hope to execute our offense better than you execute your defense.

Marquis Wilson is a deep ball threat. If last years game didn't make that clear, I don't know what would.

mpfunk · 11-20-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Marquis Wilson is a deep ball threat. If last years game didn't make that clear, I don't know what would.

So is Wesson and Jereme Brooks. Utah has guys that can beat the BYU secondary, I just don't think we have a QB that can beat them so it doesn't really matter.

RockyBalboa · 11-20-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mpfunk

So is Wesson and Jereme Brooks. Utah has guys that can beat the BYU secondary, I just don't think we have a QB that can beat them so it doesn't really matter.

Agreed on Brooks...I've only seen them use Wesson on running plays so I don't know about him, but I've heard he's very fast so I can believe it.

11-20-2007, 05:22 PM	#14
8ballrollin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: WA Posts: 1,287	I think the opening line was BYU - 4.5. So if you take away HFA, it's basically a pick'em, as far as the line goes.

11-20-2007, 06:16 PM	#17
Insensitive PAP Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 293	I don't care that they use trick plays. I'm just saying that Utah can't beat us by playing straight forward football. We have an advantage in straight up physical confrontation. It's not a slam on Utah. I'm just saying they can't just line up and run it down our throats or rely on Johnson to just drop back and pick out WRs. Misdirection is a big factor of their success. They don't have a gamebreaker like Casteel or Ganther in the line up that can't whip you with his athleticism. On the other side, I'll be really surprised if BYU runs many trick plays. It's just not a big part of how we play. We rarely even runs screens, and almost never run reverses or throw backs. What you see is what you get with BYU. We just try to come at you with a game speed that you aren't used to and hope to execute our offense better than you execute your defense.