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I understand that you live with a brother who is gay and suffer watching his social anguish, and I am sorry for the hate he has and will continue to face in his lifetime. Regardless his lifestyle is now a part of the above stated agenda. Quote:
Each time I attend class and open my mouth I am assailed for my beliefs, the condescension is ruthless and degrading. I am always referred to as the straight, religious, American, married with four kids (which is always accompanied by rolling eyes and copious amounts of ‘what an idiot’ attitude) white guy. The hate that has been directed at me is REAL and unnerving. For every time I have labeled a person gay, I in turn have been labeled intolerant and stupid. My thought process, belief system, upbringing is always portrayed as WRONG and unfortunate. It’s easy to play the victim –a role that ALL homosexuals relish. I do not hate homosexuals, but I am well aware of the tremendous disdain most homosexuals have for me, my CHOICES, belief system and lifestyle. |
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Archaea's views on homosexuality are terrifying.
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It speaks to my many previously voiced arguments against same sex marriage -from the Hoyacoug political string:
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I realize such sentiments are the foundation of a slippery slope argument … more often than not we find ourselves slipping and sliding down that slope only to greet ruin and our demise at the end! |
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people condemn legal things all the time.
shirley you can't be serious that civil unions imperil free speech. |
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I accept people, usually no matter their baggage, for some it might be homosexuality, for others it might be porn. However, I don't spend all my time or actually any time that I know of, with porn addicts, or coke addicts, or anything of the sort. If I see one or meet with one, I doubt I'd make any comment, keeping mostly to myself. However, when the marajuana legalization guys came through, I was of the opinion, it wasn't a great idea, and if asked, expressed my opinion as so. You do not articulate a clear definition of "accept." If you mean I must agree with somebody else's opinion, then you're smoking serious sh... If it means that I should acknowledge as a legitimate point of view? Why? It's illegitimate in my view. If you mean that legally, people have a right to argue it, yes that is true. The law allows the argument to be made. If you mean I must like it, then hell will freeze over. If you mean that my views impact my daily life, no way. This is argument, or entertainment. I don't know what you mean. Do I accept murderers, alcoholics, porn kings, fat people, skinny people, mean people, nice people, short people, tall people, educated people, uneducated slobs? Your use of the word "accept" is sloppy and non-definitive. Quote:
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How have I "disparaged" people by stating I don't agree with the legal and philosophical arguments raised by them in support of laws or philosophies espoused by them? "Gayness" is a negative quality. It has no benefit to society or life. Some people can operate without it destroying their lives and can still produce. Some might not. I dunno. So you are saying, in a dishonest way, that anybody who doesn't intellectually accept gayness as a positive aspect is mean? Strange logic, but it is a form of ad hominem attack. Novel, I give you that. Quote:
o[/quote] Oh how noble of you! I really have never seen anybody since high school, demonstrate meanness to somebody, except from a gay to a straight, on the basis of sexual orientation. I'm not naive enough to think it doesn't happen, but this is a major red herring. Where are all the LDS gayphobes? They don't exist. We might ask that the definition of marriage be preserved so that the few straight, monogamous folk out there. We might be the few who care about our blood supplies not being tainted. But perhaps we are in the minority and society wishes to ultimately add so many vices that it no longer can suppor them. Let's see what society wishes to support. Free love. Open marriages. Marajuana legal. NAMBLA. gay marriages. No industry to save the planet. No rich people. No poor people as supported through taxes. If in Holland, free drugs. and on and on and on. You're not advocating that, but the rubric that LDS people are mean to gay people is a LIE. We might not let them marry in the temple, we don't encourage the activity, but we're not malicious or mean, simply doing what we interpret our Father to have us do. If we are wrong, He will hold us accountable. We may be judged for many faults, but being "mean" to gay people will not be one of them.
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It is not too far a reach to suggest that at some point the freedom I currently have to condemn homosexuality from the pulpit will be labeled hate, as such it will become prosecutable. Ergo, my right to free speech will be severely prohibited, or in your terms imperiled. The above stated possibility will be an inevitable consequence of protecting Homosexual rights. |
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