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TheSizzle36 · 07-03-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSizzle36

Bringing the only pro-sports team to the State of Oklahoma would be a pretty big deal I'd think.

On second thought, I forgot about OU Football.

Go Rhett Bomar!!!

mpfunk · 07-03-2008, 04:13 PM

The NBA is a disgrace. Letting the Sonics leave Seattle is just another in a long line of screw ups by David Stern. He is a terrible commissioner.

TripletDaddy · 07-03-2008, 04:39 PM

I happily embrace the Sonics departure. This is capitalism and the free market working at its finest.

Any of you so-called fiscal conservatives out there who are opposed to an owner moving his business wherever he sees fit are really liberals in disguise.

Seattle had its chance to keep the team. They were too cheap to pay the price. So they lose.

Tough luck.

Maybe next time they won't be so cheap.

Kudos to the OKC Sonics and best of luck to them in the future.

DrumNFeather · 07-03-2008, 04:47 PM

Ian Furness was just on ESPNews doing his best Stephen A. Smith impression. He called out the owner, former owner, and the mayor of Seattle as "bad guys" and "buffoons." I had forgotten about him until this interview. Perhaps this will help him hit the big time.

cougjunkie · 07-03-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DrumNFeather

Ian Furness was just on ESPNews doing his best Stephen A. Smith impression. He called out the owner, former owner, and the mayor of Seattle as "bad guys" and "buffoons." I had forgotten about him until this interview. Perhaps this will help him hit the big time.

Ian Furness was solid here in Utah, but for some reason I thought he went to Portland and not Seattle.

Regardless the Sonics moving is a travesty imo.

I also suspect that DDD shed a tear when the Raiders moved to Oakland.

TripletDaddy · 07-03-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cougjunkie

Ian Furness was solid here in Utah, but for some reason I thought he went to Portland and not Seattle.

Regardless the Sonics moving is a travesty imo.

I also suspect that DDD shed a tear when the Raiders moved to Oakland.

Hey, I was unhappy, to be sure.

But I never claimed it was "not fair."

LA had the chance to keep the Raiders but they got distracted by a sutpid land grab that is still going on to this very day.

So was I bummed that we lost the Raiders? Sure. Was it "unfair" or was it "the NFL's fault?" No.

Seattle wants to try to paint this as an NBA con job. In reality, Seattle should have agreed to the new ownership's demands and pay for the arena. If they didnt want to pay (which is fine, too), then they should not whine about unfairness. What is really laughable is that Seattle sees that a rich investor with ties to OKC buys their team....and he makes a very clear demand to pay up or else.....so Seattle calls his bluff and then gets burned. What else were they expecting?

8ballrollin · 07-03-2008, 07:14 PM

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But I never claimed it was "not fair."

Great. We have that in common, unless you can find a link where a Sonics fan on this board has said it's "not fair." Or was that lost in your response.

TripletDaddy · 07-03-2008, 07:19 PM

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Great. We have that in common, unless you can find a link where a Sonics fan on this board has said it's "not fair." Or was that lost in your response.

This whole lament has been a giant insinuation that there was some sort of nefarious action taking place....that the city was screwed over.

Perhaps I misread. Maybe this board is simply teeming with Sonics fans who are now sad that the team is moving but have no problem with the transaction. Is that what you are saying? that the move is completely fair, on the up and up, and from a free market perspective, you actually support this new owner's right to move his newly-purchased asset? if so, then you are right...we are on the same page.

8ballrollin · 07-03-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

This whole lament has been a giant insinuation that there was some sort of nefarious action taking place....that the city was screwed over.

Perhaps I misread. Maybe this board is simply teeming with Sonics fans who are now sad that the team is moving but have no problem with the transaction. Is that what you are saying? that the move is completely fair, on the up and up, and from a free market perspective, you actually support this new owner's right to move his newly-purchased asset? if so, then you are right...we are on the same page.

I believe the premise of your post is incorrect.

No thinking person thought the Sonics were going to stay after they were sold to non-local ownership. No one cares about arguments over owner's rights to sell assets. Of course, they can do what they want - as long as it's ratified by the league and other owners (except in the NFL case of Al Davis, who had to sue to move his team).

On the city being screwed, it depends on what you mean by city.

If by city, you mean the municipality of Seattle, who cares? They've been made whole via the settlement. If by city, you mean the fans of a 40-year-old franchise (that won a NBA title), then yes, they've been screwed over. By who? That's open for debate.

On the free market side, I don't see US sports leagues operating in free markets (see antitrust exemptions). I think The Premiership in England is better model of a free market in a sports league. You can build a team in any city you want (I think there are five in London). If a team wins, they stay in the League, if not...they're relegated. If the NBA worked this way, the Clippers and teams like them, would have been kicked-out of the league years ago by more competitive teams. I digress.

MikeWaters · 07-03-2008, 08:48 PM

I'm supposed to get upset that someone sold the team to an Okie and the Okie is moving the team to Okie-ville?

07-03-2008, 04:39 PM	#3
TripletDaddy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 9,483	I happily embrace the Sonics departure. This is capitalism and the free market working at its finest. Any of you so-called fiscal conservatives out there who are opposed to an owner moving his business wherever he sees fit are really liberals in disguise. Seattle had its chance to keep the team. They were too cheap to pay the price. So they lose. Tough luck. Maybe next time they won't be so cheap. Kudos to the OKC Sonics and best of luck to them in the future. __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Everyone is against me. Everyone is fawning for 3D's attention and defending him." -- SeattleUte

07-03-2008, 04:13 PM	#2
mpfunk Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,619	The NBA is a disgrace. Letting the Sonics leave Seattle is just another in a long line of screw ups by David Stern. He is a terrible commissioner.

07-03-2008, 04:47 PM	#4
DrumNFeather Active LDS Ute Fan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nantucket : ) Posts: 2,566	Ian Furness was just on ESPNews doing his best Stephen A. Smith impression. He called out the owner, former owner, and the mayor of Seattle as "bad guys" and "buffoons." I had forgotten about him until this interview. Perhaps this will help him hit the big time.

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MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I'm supposed to get upset that someone sold the team to an Okie and the Okie is moving the team to Okie-ville?