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creekster · 08-29-2008, 07:59 PM

My mother (who is LDS) has a professional career. My wife, also LDS, has a professional career. My first job after law school was clerking for an LDS appellate judge with 4 children. I see your point, but have been surrounded by exceptions, apparently.

SeattleUte · 08-29-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by creekster

I see your point, but have been surrounded by exceptions, apparently.

No kidding.

MikeWaters · 08-29-2008, 08:21 PM

We do note however that there are more women in the Utah state legislature than some other states, esp. in the deep south.

We have to remember that at the time of polygamy women in Utah were allowed to do many jobs that women in the rest of the country were not. Because of necessity. Because the husbands were often not present, splitting time between their wives in different towns. I'm not sure that is feminism, but it is something. It could be argued that the end of polygamy actually was a knife in the heart of feminism in the LDS church.

TripletDaddy · 08-29-2008, 08:22 PM

why do you keep posting everything twice today?

once is usually hard enough for the general populace.

SeattleUte · 08-29-2008, 08:45 PM

Here's the box McCain/Palin have put the LDS Church into. They used the importance of General Conference and the power of the pulpit there, sandwiching Sister Beck in between the Fathers of the Church, to raise her stark message to the level of--what?--something a lot bigger than don't drink tea, though probably not quite at the level of Thou Shall Not Commit Adultery. Having a woman do it under those circumstances was especially terrible (in the poetic sense).

Now we have a woman who's a mother of five, including a disabled four month infant, who chose to have that infant rather than terminate it, believes creationism should be "discussed" in the schools, etc., running for vice-president. Is Sarah "Barracuda" Palin a bad person, or is Sister Beck's pitch not as open and shut as Sister Beck and the Brethren wanted to make everybody think?

The upshot is another chink in the LDS Church's battered credibility. Something similar to this scenario gets replayed over and over again. Someday a wonderful person will win the presidency who is a Republican and was raised in a great, conservative home . . . with gay parents.

Tex · 08-29-2008, 08:46 PM

Did I miss something? Is Palin LDS?

SeattleUte · 08-29-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

Did I miss something? Is Palin LDS?

This only hastens the marginalization if there is not assimilation. The point is, is what they're teaching relevant and, quite frankly, better than competing messages?

Indy Coug · 08-29-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Here's the box McCain/Palin have put the LDS Church into. They used the importance of General Conference and the power of the pulpit there, sandwiching Sister Beck in between the Fathers of the Church, to raise her stark message to the level of--what?--something a lot bigger than don't drink tea, though probably not quite at the level of Thou Shall Not Commit Adultery. Having a woman do it under those circumstances was especially terrible (in the poetic sense).

Now we have a woman who's a mother of five, including a disabled four month infant, who chose to have that infant rather than terminate it, believes creationism should be "discussed" in the schools, etc., running for vice-president. Is Sarah "Barracuda" Palin a bad person, or is Sister Beck's pitch not as open and shut as Sister Beck and the Brethren wanted to make everybody think?

The upshot is another chink in the LDS Church's battered credibility. Something similar to this scenario gets replayed over and over again. Someday a wonderful person will win the presidency who is a Republican and was raised in a great, conservative home . . . with gay parents.

What kind of fantasy world do you live in? This is such a gross mischaracterization of Sister Beck's talk and the attitude in general of the LDS church and its membership as to completely paint yourself into a corner of intellectual stultification and spiritual embitterment.

MikeWaters · 08-29-2008, 08:52 PM

Palin is a tough spot just because no doubt many Mormons were hoping the pick would be Romney.

No matter that in Mormon culture a woman who wasn't home with her 5 kids, one of them with Downs Syndrome, would be looked at askance.

But does conservative ideology and intelligence outweight all of that? As far as the voting booth goes, most Mormons would still punch GOP.

Goatnapper'96 · 08-29-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

What kind of fantasy world do you live in? This is such a gross mischaracterization of Sister Beck's talk and the attitude in general of the LDS church and its membership as to completely paint yourself into a corner of intellectual stultification and spiritual embitterment.

He is an asshole.

08-29-2008, 07:59 PM	#11
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08-29-2008, 08:45 PM	#15
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	Here's the box McCain/Palin have put the LDS Church into. They used the importance of General Conference and the power of the pulpit there, sandwiching Sister Beck in between the Fathers of the Church, to raise her stark message to the level of--what?--something a lot bigger than don't drink tea, though probably not quite at the level of Thou Shall Not Commit Adultery. Having a woman do it under those circumstances was especially terrible (in the poetic sense). Now we have a woman who's a mother of five, including a disabled four month infant, who chose to have that infant rather than terminate it, believes creationism should be "discussed" in the schools, etc., running for vice-president. Is Sarah "Barracuda" Palin a bad person, or is Sister Beck's pitch not as open and shut as Sister Beck and the Brethren wanted to make everybody think? The upshot is another chink in the LDS Church's battered credibility. Something similar to this scenario gets replayed over and over again. Someday a wonderful person will win the presidency who is a Republican and was raised in a great, conservative home . . . with gay parents. __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster Last edited by SeattleUte; 08-29-2008 at 08:47 PM.

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08-29-2008, 08:21 PM	#13
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	We do note however that there are more women in the Utah state legislature than some other states, esp. in the deep south. We have to remember that at the time of polygamy women in Utah were allowed to do many jobs that women in the rest of the country were not. Because of necessity. Because the husbands were often not present, splitting time between their wives in different towns. I'm not sure that is feminism, but it is something. It could be argued that the end of polygamy actually was a knife in the heart of feminism in the LDS church.

08-29-2008, 08:52 PM	#19
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Palin is a tough spot just because no doubt many Mormons were hoping the pick would be Romney. No matter that in Mormon culture a woman who wasn't home with her 5 kids, one of them with Downs Syndrome, would be looked at askance. But does conservative ideology and intelligence outweight all of that? As far as the voting booth goes, most Mormons would still punch GOP.