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Goatnapper'96 · 10-01-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

He sets himself up for the next assault and rape allegation. That it was his fault.

The point is that the mullahs love him so much that they will view it as an anomaly.

In a couple of years imagine the clout he gets when a teary-eyed Russel Tialevea speaks at the fireside before the SDSU game and gets choked up about his mistake and how Bronco loved him like a father and motivated him to do good and reach his eternal potential..yadda yadda yadda. When Russell gets his bearing and looks the crowd in the eye and says "I am going to name my firstborn Bronco because to this coach it is not just about winning."

I and you giggle, there are those not in the fringe who will lap that up.

Jeff Lebowski · 10-01-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

It's been rare so I'm not betting it will happen any time soon. And I believe, that although Bronco isn't naive, he's still watching what sort of kids he recruits.

If it happens after a BCS bowl game or two, national prominence and multiple conference championships, you believe he'd take much of a hit? I don't.

Yep. Look at all the crap that happened under Lavell's watch. At some point you become untouchable.

BYU71 · 10-01-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

It's been rare so I'm not betting it will happen any time soon. And I believe, that although Bronco isn't naive, he's still watching what sort of kids he recruits.

If it happens after a BCS bowl game or two, national prominence and multiple conference championships, you believe he'd take much of a hit? I don't.

The only hit he would take in that circumstance would be from some "mullahs" who would cry and moan but not on any boards as they would be clobbered and I am sure a loud outcry from the "active LDS Ute fan" community who would be calling for the elimination of the program.

Neither of those groups have much voice if money is involved.

Archaea · 10-01-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Yep. Look at all the crap that happened under Lavell's watch. At some point you become untouchable.

Yes, we should say a few Hail Gordons in the name of St. Lavell, bless his hallowed name. May Bronco achieve football salvation in the name of St. Lavell.

jay santos · 10-01-2007, 09:39 PM

Proof in the pudding is the # of non-LDS players in the program. If Bronco has more than X amount, he's hoodwinking the mullahs, if he has less than certain amount, he's hoodwinking you. you have to decide for yourself what X is.

I have this info from a spreadsheet I'd been tracking over time.

Year, # of LDS players on opening roster
1999, 15
2000, 15
2001, 10
2002, 11
2003, 10
2004, 19
2005, 12
2006, 9
2007, 8

Goatnapper'96 · 10-01-2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Proof in the pudding is the # of non-LDS players in the program. If Bronco has more than X amount, he's hoodwinking the mullahs, if he has less than certain amount, he's hoodwinking you. you have to decide for yourself what X is.

I have this info from a spreadsheet I'd been tracking over time.

Year, # of LDS players on opening roster
1999, 15
2000, 15
2001, 10
2002, 11
2003, 10
2004, 19
2005, 12
2006, 9
2007, 8

How does not having a high number of mormons indicate he is not hoodwinking the mullahs? I think only having mormons is one aspect of how they could hurt the BYU program.

Besides that I count 9 non-LDS off the top of my head: Pittman, Brooks, Saulsberry, Reed, Aulai, Hooks, Dilugi, Kessman and Santiago. Perhaps you already accounted for Kessman's departure.

I would like to see it get back up to about 15-20 though. Perhaps 10-15 is a more achievable number. Perhaps due to mullahs and perhaps due to changing demagraphics within the LDS recruiting base.

jay santos · 10-01-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

How does not having a high number of mormons indicate he is not hoodwinking the mullahs? I think only having mormons is one aspect of how they could hurt the BYU program.

Besides that I count 9 non-LDS off the top of my head: Pittman, Brooks, Saulsberry, Reed, Aulai, Hooks, Dilugi, Kessman and Santiago. Perhaps you already accounted for Kessman's departure.

I would like to see it get back up to about 15-20 though. Perhaps 10-15 is a more achievable number. Perhaps due to mullahs and perhaps due to changing demagraphics within the LDS recruiting base.

I thought Aulai and Santiago were members. Do you know for sure? I also had Howard listed.

Recruiting non-LDS is the only #1 reason I know of that determines whether you are pacifying the mullahs or pacifying the win-at-all-costers. What other metric could there be?

Goatnapper'96 · 10-01-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

I thought Aulai and Santiago were members. Do you know for sure? I also had Howard listed.

Recruiting non-LDS is the only #1 reason I know of that determines whether you are pacifying the mullahs or pacifying the win-at-all-costers. What other metric could there be?

I am quite sure neither are LDS. Including Howard, that would be 10 non-LDS on this years club which would be one more than from the year before.

He loses 3 for next year in Aulai, Kessman and Saulsberry. Nicholsen is the only non-LDS kid I think will be here in 2008. Perhaps BYU will pick up another two or so non-LDS cbs, both a freshman and a JC, and maybee Magnum Mauga. Otherwise the non-LDS count could drop to below this years numbers.

I think a biggest metric is to watch is expulsions. I am most interested to see how HC infractions are handled over time. I am not really sure it is something that one can use a metric to evaluate, it might be a more subjective argument. That should be ok as this site is super-saturated with attorneys so the opinions should be varied.

RockyBalboa · 10-01-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Proof in the pudding is the # of non-LDS players in the program. If Bronco has more than X amount, he's hoodwinking the mullahs, if he has less than certain amount, he's hoodwinking you. you have to decide for yourself what X is.

I have this info from a spreadsheet I'd been tracking over time.

Year, # of LDS players on opening roster
1999, 15
2000, 15
2001, 10
2002, 11
2003, 10
2004, 19
2005, 12
2006, 9
2007, 8

I realize this is mere semantics, but I just counted 11 Non-LDS on this year's roster or in the prgoram.

RockyBalboa · 10-01-2007, 10:17 PM

Non-LDS Players on the team:

Chris Bolden

Brandon Howard

Brannon Brooks

JJ DiLuigi

Greg Pittman

Steven Fendry: DE Transfer from Colorado sitting out due to transfer rules.

Terrance Hooks

Michael Reed

CJ Santiago

Andre Saulsbery

That's 10 Non-LDS...so discount my post earlier where I said 11. I wasn't sure but was just told that Cortny Barton and Mosese Foketi are both LDS.

10-01-2007, 10:17 PM	#20
RockyBalboa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 7,297	Non-LDS Players on the team: Chris Bolden Brandon Howard Brannon Brooks JJ DiLuigi Greg Pittman Steven Fendry: DE Transfer from Colorado sitting out due to transfer rules. Terrance Hooks Michael Reed CJ Santiago Andre Saulsbery That's 10 Non-LDS...so discount my post earlier where I said 11. I wasn't sure but was just told that Cortny Barton and Mosese Foketi are both LDS. __________________ Masquerading as Cougarguards very own genius dumbass since 05'.

10-01-2007, 09:39 PM	#15
jay santos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,177	Proof in the pudding is the # of non-LDS players in the program. If Bronco has more than X amount, he's hoodwinking the mullahs, if he has less than certain amount, he's hoodwinking you. you have to decide for yourself what X is. I have this info from a spreadsheet I'd been tracking over time. Year, # of LDS players on opening roster 1999, 15 2000, 15 2001, 10 2002, 11 2003, 10 2004, 19 2005, 12 2006, 9 2007, 8