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Old 01-30-2008, 03:08 AM   #11
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Actually the agreement was that those caught before reaching shore were sent back. Those reaching shore were allowed to stay.

Has that changed?

Look, a Mexican "illegal" is going to be treated much differently than a Cuban "illegal". I doubt illegal immigration is even an issue in the Miami Cuban community.
So if the immigration issue doesn't matter in Florida then it's not a problem for McCain. Frankly, with McCain starting to rise to the top apparently, maybe it's not really as much of an issue as the hard right wants us to think it is. After all, it's not a huge issue for democrats or libertarians either. Or at the very least, maybe most Americans would prefer a middle ground on it rather than the Tom Trancredo approach.
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:10 AM   #12
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So if the immigration issue doesn't matter in Florida then it's not a problem for McCain. Frankly, with McCain starting to rise to the top apparently, maybe it's not really as much of an issue as the hard right wants us to think it is. After all, it's not a huge issue for democrats or libertarians either. Or at the very least, maybe most Americans would prefer a middle ground on it rather than the Tom Trancredo approach.
All politics is local. I bet it's a bigger issue in border states and in certain segments of the "hard right" as you said.
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I heard several Cubans interviewed on NPR earlier this week who said they reacted emotionally to Romney's harsh anti-immigration speaches. Cubans have integrated and are a spectacular success story in America, and they have not had the same barriers to immigtation as other Latinos, but it's more an emotional issue for them, as for most anyone not a wasp. They empathize with other Latino immigrants, legal or illegal.
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:49 PM   #14
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I heard several Cubans interviewed on NPR earlier this week who said they reacted emotionally to Romney's harsh anti-immigration speaches. Cubans have integrated and are a spectacular success story in America, and they have not had the same barriers to immigtation as other Latinos, but it's more an emotional issue for them, as for most anyone not a wasp. They empathize with other Latino immigrants, legal or illegal.
That makes sense to me. I don't think they are going to be focused so much on the nuances of current law in regards to Cubans vs. others. The fact that even the republicans are going to nominate a candidate that is moderate on the immigration issue is a sign that the hard-core Tancredo types are a minority even within the GOP. Apparently Utah and Cougarboard are not exactly representative of the rest of the country, or even the Republican party on that issue. And don't forget, Romney changed his rhetoric on immigration to appeal to the right. His own hiring practices show he hasn't always cared all that much about it.

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I heard several Cubans interviewed on NPR earlier this week who said they reacted emotionally to Romney's harsh anti-immigration speaches. Cubans have integrated and are a spectacular success story in America, and they have not had the same barriers to immigtation as other Latinos, but it's more an emotional issue for them, as for most anyone not a wasp. They empathize with other Latino immigrants, legal or illegal.
Well that makes sense and I agree Romney's position on immigration is wrong, at least his new public pronouncement on immigration is wrong. So if it costs him the nomination then he deserves to lose.
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Well that makes sense and I agree Romney's position on immigration is wrong, at least his new public pronouncement on immigration is wrong. So if it costs him the nomination then he deserves to lose.
Yeah, it bothered me when his public statements on it changed. I'm not sure his personal view changed, but that's part of Romney's problem. It's hard to tell what he really will do or thinks about some things anymore.
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Yeah, it bothered me when his public statements on it changed. I'm not sure his personal view changed, but that's part of Romney's problem. It's hard to tell what he really will do or thinks about some things anymore.
It seems to me, once he got into the national race, he seemed to acquire different advisers, and as a business person, believed if you pay for them, you follow them. These advisers should be fired and should never work in Republican politics again. If they are family, then you can't fire family.

He changed his whole approach changed, not for the good.

He had potential and hurdles, but if he had remained himself, he would have had a better chance. Perhaps it shows, candidates should just ignore the Christian Nazis and run on sound politics.
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