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If you run for president of these United States, I suggest you do so. I'd also bone up on the pledge. Votes like that kind of thing.
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I think that's annoying when people kept walking during the anthem at BYU. For me it's less about showing respect for the actual hymn, and more about taking a minute to stop what you're doing and be grateful for where you are and what's you've been given.
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Sad that even those of us discharged with protecting democracy's fragile peace and livin' large on the US Taxpayers demonstrated the same disrespectful intentions at the mormon church's Academy. However, I bet your chicks were hotter and probably even put out more.
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http://www.grizedale.org/2007/03/17/...02-293x400.jpg I think the salute (and, consequently for me, putting hand over heart) is just one more thing that the Nazis screwed up for everyone (like the swastika). I'm a patriotic person; I've served my country. I just don't like physical salute (for civilians), as if a gesture somehow conveys additional nationalistic devotion. I have no problem if others do it, but I haven't done it for several years. I stand for the national anthem. I'll say the pledge of allegiance. But I leave my hands at my sides.
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That's essentially my question - is this the kind of thing that bugs a lot of people, or is it a non-issue?
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If I go to a basketball game and I don't put my hand over my heart for the national anthem, or the guy 6 seats down from me doesn't, or whatever ... what's the real impact? I'm just one man. The President on the other hand is not just a man ... it's a symbol, an office, and a position that comes with considerable pomp and ceremony. Whether you like it or not, hand-over-the-heart is a standard sign of respect for the symbols of the country and the sacrifices they represent. You can not do so and still inwardly respect those sacrifices, just like you can have a mohawk, 7 tattoos, and a tongue-piercing and still be a inwardly be Mother Teresa. But people make judgments on what you do, and sometimes it is the small things that matter. I won't be making my judgment on who to vote for based on this issue, but I think it can belie a deeper misunderstanding about the office of the Presidency.
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Perhaps I should have been more explicit. Even if you assume that the flag represents the nation, which I find quite silly, and which isn't necessarily supported in the text, since "and to the republic for which it stands" is mentioned separately, pledging allegiance to the nation doesn't sit well with me.
If it said something like "I pledge allegiance to the values of the United States, as long as they are not corrupted by our politicians..." then maybe, but even then those values would have to be enumerated. I'm not a fan of the word "fascist," as it gets tossed around so much, but the forced recitation of a brainless nationalistic oath seems to fit the definition. Luckily, the laws concerning its recitation are no longer enforced, but the idea is the same. |
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But I was wondering if other people think this is a big deal. You say it can be a big deal - sure; otherwise, CNN.com would have nothing to write about. But is it a big deal to individuals? Do you (or anyone else) care personally if a candidate for president doesn't do it?
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