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And regarding the previous quote: it states my point, essentially. Christianity, as first established, held important principles and ideas from both its Judaic and Greek roots; what we refer to as the apostasy is what happened when those ideas and principles died out. The point that I disagree with is the idea that Greek ideas won out altogether. The latest scholars will show that the so-called "Judiazers" had just as much to do with corrupting Christianity, especially in the beginning. Nor should you use one man's work to represent how FARMS people work; nor should you use FARMS to represent the church.
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This is the second time this week that you have compared the LDS church or some person related to it as a nazi. Come on. Even for an experienced troll like you this is over the top and, quite frankly, offensive. Give it a rest.
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Are you talking about when I compared Indy and woot to Hitler and Stalin? I don't believe that offended you.
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Maybe, but this one did. And it's not that its so offensive as it is silly and tiresome. Come on, Goebbels? Give it a rest.
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Greek philosophy's hijacking of Christianity was a finding that dates back to the mid 19th century. Not an argument conjured by FARMS as Seattle would have you believe.
It was started off by German higher criticism, this guy in particular: http://www.religionfacts.com/christi...le/harnack.htm Quote:
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SU, don't you think it a little odd to criticize the BoM for lacking quality allegory to a group which primarily believes the BoM to be a true literal record of an ancient people. Would you similarly struggle to find quality allegory in a US history book? Certainly if you're writing fiction you have a better chance to create allegory.
That said, you've still got some decent stuff. Tree of Life Jacob 5 Olive tree Alma on faith and seed Lamanite-Nephite wars/stipling warriors/Captain Moroni etc Maybe it's worth another look for you. |
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He would be stupid to disagree with the point made by Robinson, that Greek philosophy had an effect on the doctrines of the early Christian church. He would be stupid to disagree that Paul and others were already battling in mid to late 1st century to preserve the doctrine as they taught it, and that after they died there was a modification (or if it's unproven there certainly was a possibility of a modification) of doctrine over the next century. What makes his blood boil is that someone would be so bold as to say this was BAD for the church. How dare you say my precious classic civilization had a negative effect on ANYTHING??!! This is just his opinion and it's silly to call someone else unprofessional for disagreeing with this opinion. |
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What is interesting is the tendency of religion to view things in binary, black and white, good and evil. The FARMS "commentary" is one the worst I've read but others have taken the same tact.
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1. There is a God 2. There are some knowable facts about God and his plan, i.e. doctrine 3. At least some parts of the Bible, especially New Testament, should be taken literally 4. Jesus is the Christ, atoned and was resurrected, appeared and taught the gospel to the apostles 5. The early apostles had a set of doctrine taught to them directly by Jesus which was true and pure 6. Spreading this doctrine to the world and preserving it in its true form is important If you accept those assumptions, then the mixing in of any other doctrine no matter how logical and scientific and advanced (for the day), there is a potential for damage to the doctrines taught by the apostles. This is a bad thing. |
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In the West, Greece was not just the mother country, it was the very embodiment of culture and education clear to the fall of Rome. Most of the great historians in antiquity through the Roman period wrote in Greek, were Greeks or Greek educated. Greek culture and eductation made Christianty possible and literally created it. So you have the Gospels written in Greek, with Christ ostensibly quoting from a Greek Bible, and a Hellenized Jew (Paul) paraphrasing Plato and Aristotle in generating the concepts of body and soul, spirit, the atonement, etc.
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