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Black Diamond Bay · 10-05-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Flystripper

I don't know you or your family but I have a hunch you are just digging your heels in on this issue. Are you really saying that your dad would prevent you from having a relationship with you mom cause your brother was disrespectful?

You don't seem as disfunctional as that scenario sounds.

No, we're not completely dysfunctional. We're a mortal family, and there is no need for my dad to take away my privelege to interact with my mother as a result of my sibling's behavior. However, if by allowing my interaction he allowed my mother to come under fire from all of my other siblings, I don't think he would do it.

Besides, it's not like I've never done anything to offend my Father in Heaven, so why would I be trusted to interact with her.

Black Diamond Bay · 10-05-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

Especially it seems that she is imbuing stereotypical female shortcomings on a perfect being. I am not sure if that is the case. As a perfect being She should have the same level of charity that God has and see us all as we can be instead of how we are.

Maybe I just don't see it as a shortcoming. I don't ever want to be the woman that doesn't get hurt. To me that's not perfect a woman, it's a man.

Jim Swarthout · 10-05-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

Since worshiping a HF is tough enough, how does one go about worshiping a HM about which there is nothing to read?

All of it is pure speculation; that's the main bugaboo. I believe you're correct, in that we're already weird enough, why would we encourage more weirdness.

A pragmatic point well made. Perhaps the explanation of why LDS don't discuss HM is b/c we know very little about her whereas with HF we have the standard works etc.

Although I think you will agree with me that worship goes beyond reading. I suspect you were being sarcastic with that comment but couldn't tell w/out one of those fancy emoticons.

Archaea · 10-05-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Diamond Bay

Maybe I just don't see it as a shortcoming. I don't ever want to be the woman that doesn't get hurt. To me that's not perfect a woman, it's a man.

What benefit flows from allowing yourself to be hurt?

From a legitimate Pauline epistle 1 Cor 13:

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4 Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant 5or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;
6it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth.
7It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never ends

I believe a exalted female would embody this quality.

Requiem · 10-05-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

I think anyone speaking publicly on it is looking to be disciplined. Probably a scholar who knows he/she won't be totally accepted on Cougarguard unless he can make some claim of ecclesiastical interference or academic freedom.

Even if I agree with you in principal, I am concvinced anyone aware enough of LDS doctrine to be knowledgable of the subject is purposely trying to rock the boat. I think there are subjects worth rocking the boat (polygamy as applicated and blacks and the priesthood come to mind) but IMO HM doesn't reach that threshold.

Ironically, you are correct about all of the above - including the consequences of speaking publicly, being disciplined and academic freedom:

http://www.lds-mormon.com/byu_aaup.shtml

Goatnapper'96 · 10-05-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

Ironically, you are correct about all of the above - including the consequences of speaking publicly, being disciplined and academic freedom:

http://www.lds-mormon.com/byu_aaup.shtml

Liberal academic elites think mormon owned school is short on academic freedom, shocking!

BYU has a purpose or goal for its graduates. Anyone and everyone who goes there knows that this is the case, both students and instructors. It is not a "university" in the classical sense. It is more of an "Academy."

Many find this opinion offensive, I however know firsthand of the superior nature of "academy" type educations.

I think I would like BYU to have more academic freedom, but I get about as charged up about it as I do solving the diarhea epidemic amongst emporer penguins.

Now if the football or hoops team starts sucking, I want a referendum on the President of the Church and to know exactly what he is doing to take advantage of all the good press successful sports teams will bring to the Kingdom of God!

Archaea · 10-05-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Swarthout

Although I think you will agree with me that worship goes beyond reading. I suspect you were being sarcastic with that comment but couldn't tell w/out one of those fancy emoticons.

I hate emoticons.

Black Diamond Bay · 10-05-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

What benefit flows from allowing yourself to be hurt?

From a legitimate Pauline epistle 1 Cor 13:

I believe a exalted female would embody this quality.

I don't believe that "irritable and resentful" are synonymous with vulnerable.

Archaea · 10-05-2007, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Diamond Bay

I don't believe that "irritable and resentful" are synonymous with vulnerable.

Perhaps not, but there seems to be a connection, most of the time.

non sequitur · 10-05-2007, 10:22 PM

I think it's about time we put this thread out of its misery. Do I have a second?

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