04-21-2008, 06:01 PM | #131 | |
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Given some of my personal experiences in the temple, I wouldn't automatically categorize it as urban legend. It is certainly possible that I misunderstood something and it's nothing more than that...
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I don't think Joseph did perform any indisputable miracles, so maybe that is where my definition falls short. Maybe miracles are always subjective,though just to give one example, the miracle of the resurrection was not something Jesus came to the people at the time and asked them to take his word for. He invited them to feel the prints in his hands and feet. He ate honeycomb with some of them. I don't know. I do know that Jospeh claimed to have witnessed all kind of miraculous things. Gold plates, heavenly manifestations, visions, dreams and more. He also routinely made specific prophesies. None of that stuff is independently verifiable. I don't expect it to be and I think I have said until I am blue in the face in other threads that religion is built on faith rather than evidences anyway. Anyway, if those things I mentioned happened to Joseph (and I recognize that the priesthood can only be restored once for example) and we don't hear the prophet say such things are happening to him nor really for the last 100 years or more, I think it is at least fair to wonder why it stopped or why we are no longer being told if it didn't stop. I hope that makes sense, I am sort of thinking out loud here in an effort to firm up what I think.
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Since when has anything related to the veracity and/or efficacy of this work relied on objective evidence?
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[This comment is not meant for UtahDan, but the board generally and Adam specifically] On the other hand, to discount the miracles witnessed by countless members as being inconsequential, and evidence of the church's 'state of condemnation' is simply arrogant and logically flawed.
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Again, why are we so reluctant to share? I have only simple things to share, so most would not note such simple things. If a momentous thing occurred I wonder if I would share. Probably not, but then again it hasn't happened.
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