Monson: Gay Marriage Fight in CA 'Is Our Gettysburg'

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

would you accept his partner into your family? (family vacations/holidays)

The fact people are having a hard time answering this question says it all about the culture.

Then they go on to moan about how awful to be physically separated from a child against their wishes. IRONIC. Bullshit. There are things more important to the average devout Mormon than their children. They would feed their children to hounds for the Church.

I think the LDS Church is bad for the institution of marriage.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Because as we discussed at length yesterday (something about Piaget and company), young kids have limited moral sense, and it would be difficult to help them strike the balance between hate the sin, but love the sinner, while not acting in a way that gives the your children the impression that the sin isn't really a sin but is just archaic bigotry.

you teach young kids about sexual sins?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by YOhio

Maybe this is what Monson was concerned about.

http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=3885948

He should fear it because that's what's next. This issue alone would keep BYU out of the Pac 10 till hell freezes over.

[Levin]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

If I were some of you, I would be careful about being too homophobic. God has a strange way of teaching lessons and you might get a lesson you would prefer not to.

You throw around such accusations loosely, but they fit your purposes, so you feel justified. And you're an ass who makes lots of assumptions. I, like you, have gay family members (one bisexual) to whom I'm very close.

My comment related to a very specific time frame for a very specific person: a teenager who has soft attraction, and feels confused. The normalization of behavior in society make's the job of a parent harder if the parent does not want his children engaging in that behavior.

DDD --- so b/c I am able to teach my children that abortion is wrong means I shouldn't care whether society condones it?



All this talk

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

The fact people are having a hard time answering this question says it all about the culture.

Then they go on to moan about how awful to be physically separated from a child against their wishes. IRONIC. Bullshit. There are things more important to the average devout Mormon than their children. They would feed their children to hounds for the Church.

I think the LDS Church is bad for the institution of marriage.

Give me a break.

The only honest answer to this particular question would be "I don't know what I'd do unless I was faced with this scenario." And you know that is the only answer and it has nothing to do with the LDS culture.

Again, you chose to leave. Get over it.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

you teach young kids about sexual sins?

Yes, when they turn 4.

That way, they can make informed decisions about whether they want to begin having pre-marital sex immediately or wait until they are married.

[Levin]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

He should fear it because that's what's next. This issue alone would keep BYU out of the Pac 10 till hell freezes over.

I hope and pray Free Exercise wins out on this one.

But like the Boy Scouts, we'll be punished.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Give me a break.

The only honest answer to this particular question would be "I don't know what I'd do unless I was faced with this scenario." And you know that is the only answer and it has nothing to do with the LDS culture.

Again, you chose to leave. Get over it.

I can say unequivocally I'd treat my children no differently regardless of the gender of their mate. Believe me, there is so much else that is so much more important that would make me proud or disappointed in them. I am not in the minority in this among educated Americans. I'm just not. Look around you. This shouldn't be hard. It only is because you live in a time capsul.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Levin

DDD --- so b/c I am able to teach my children that abortion is wrong means I shouldn't care whether society condones it?

Your assertion was that legalizing gay marriage would result in condoning gay sex. I basically blew that one out of the water since gay sex has been condoned for years and years.

You also claimed that if gay marriage were to be legal, that the result would be a breakdown in the social construct in which we teach our children. I also provided ample examples of legalized "sins" that do not prevent us from teaching our children right vs wrong.

You are now floating with a life preserver and want to shift the discussion to whether you should "care."

In the words of Michael Hutchence, "you can care all you want. Everybody does and thats ok."

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Levin

I hope and pray Free Exercise wins out on this one.

But like the Boy Scouts, we'll be punished.

Free exercise? What are you talking about? Society has constitutional rights to ostracise Mormons because of their hate.