Recording of an excommunication

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Why the need for transparency? What are the hope of those who want a more open and transparent church. What are the hopes of those who want the church to teach and preach the full uncensored history of the church.

We can learn from such proceedings.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Why the need for transparency? What are the hope of those who want a more open and transparent church. What are the hopes of those who want the church to teach and preach the full uncensored history of the church.

Pride is concerned with who is right....you do know that Mike's letter to the editor on Blacks and Priesthood got more hits on it than a horny Laurel in a miniskirt, right?

They want to be right, damnedit! To be honest, they may be. But if telling Mike and Adam they are circle jerking one another can get them worked up so be it.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

We can learn from such proceedings.

Maybe we can. I can't learn anything I need to know. Of course I already believe such proceedings are not a spiritually uplifting event. They are disciplinary. I remember a discussion on one of the boards about it being a loving act. LOL Maybe that is why the SP tries to be so nice, so the accused can feel loved on the way out the door.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

We can learn from such proceedings.

I read through one of those essays written for the disaffected mormon. He theorizes that there was a statistical analysis done during Leonard Arrington's tenure as the Church Historian and the results are the open history era of the Church impacted activity percentages. Why is it that you are like Tex and want to push people out of the Church?

[creekster]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I wasn't referring to the weirdos like you.

I do not claim to be very smart and I do not want this to be about me. But I do resent that you show such little respect for the depth of commitment and feeling exhibited by persons who seek to be faithful members of the church, be they rank and file or those you consider to be "weirdos." The human condition is difficult and complex and many, even millions, find truth and comfort in this church and this fact cannot and should not be so blithely and disrespectfully dismissed by someone of your background and family experience. That you choose to disagree does not bother me, but every now and then your approach is nothing more than so much bitter pablum, as it was here IMO.

I realize you are not alone in your approach on this site but, as I said, given your background and intelligence, I expect more out of you, even when you are playing a troll.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

I read through one of those essays written for the disaffected mormon. He theorizes that there was a statistical analysis done during Leonard Arrington's tenure as the Church Historian and the results are the open history era of the Church impacted activity percentages. Why is it that you are like Tex and want to push people out of the Church?

so what's pushing people out of the church right now, specifically men?

Btw, I would love to see said analysis. Indy, could you weigh in on the confounding of such an analysis?

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by creekster

I do not claim to be very smart and I do not want this to be about me. But I do resent that you show such little respect for the depth of commitment and feeling exhibited by persons who seek to be faithful members of the church, be they rank and file or those you consider to be "weirdos." The human condition is difficult and complex and many, even millions, find truth and comfort in this church and this fact cannot and should not be so blithely and disrespectfully dismissed by someone of your background and family experience. That you choose to disagree does not bother me, but every now and then your approach is nothing more than so much bitter pablum, as it was here IMO.

I realize you are not alone in your approach on this site but, as I said, given your background and intelligence, I expect more out of you, even when you are playing a troll.

Well said. He fears listening to the recording.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by creekster

I do not claim to be very smart and I do not want this to be about me. But I do resent that you show such little respect for the depth of commitment and feeling exhibited by persons who seek to be faithful members of the church, be they rank and file or those you consider to be "weirdos." The human condition is difficult and complex and many, even millions, find truth and comfort in this church and this fact cannot and should not be so blithely and disrespectfully dismissed by someone of your background and family experience. That you choose to disagree does not bother me, but every now and then your approach is nothing more than so much bitter pablum, as it was here IMO.

I realize you are not alone in your approach on this site but, as I said, given your background and intelligence, I expect more out of you, even when you are playing a troll.

Come on Bishop, just call him an asshole. It succinctly sums up your opinions and feelings in fewer letters. Besides that you will feel better.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

so what's pushing people out of the church right now, specifically men?

Btw, I would love to see said analysis. Indy, could you weigh in on the confounding of such an analysis?

You think the imbalance in the US male/female membership ratio is due to men disproportionately being pushed out of church?

[MikeWaters]

A recording would also allow general authorities to get a better feel if things were handled appropriately, should there be an appeal.