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Old 06-10-2008, 04:59 PM   #101
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Do you think if a guy is gay, but is celebate and wacks off, he is sinning.
Yes, he is. i think i'm sinning just by answering this post. I'm not scared of the concept of sin. it's something mortals do on a regular basis. The Savior atoned for it.
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Old 06-10-2008, 05:01 PM   #102
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Why do you think commandments are changed then. Take for instance the commandment against using any type of birth control. What other reason besides man's weakness would this one be changed.
Are you looking to reopen the discussion on commandment vs. counsel, '71, or are you tired of retaking the same territory?
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Old 06-10-2008, 05:02 PM   #103
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Are you looking to reopen the discussion on commandment vs. counsel, '71, or are you tired of retaking the same territory?
I can't remember what your stand is on that tired old issue. However, those who believe it is commandment have to admit commandments change, don't they.
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Old 06-10-2008, 05:03 PM   #104
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Yes, he is. i think i'm sinning just by answering this post. I'm not scared of the concept of sin. it's something mortals do on a regular basis. The Savior atoned for it.
This one is even tougher. Heterosexual guy has wet dream, that isn't sinning or so I have been told. What if gay guy has wet dream?
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Old 06-10-2008, 05:16 PM   #105
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This one is even tougher. Heterosexual guy has wet dream, that isn't sinning or so I have been told. What if gay guy has wet dream?
How gay was the wet dream? How effiminate was the man in the gay wet dream fantasy? Are we talking UteStar gay or Rocky Balboa gay? I would classify the Rocky Balboa level as more egregious.
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Old 06-10-2008, 05:17 PM   #106
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Why do you think commandments are changed then. Take for instance the commandment against using any type of birth control. What other reason besides man's weakness would this one be changed.
Commandment or counsel? Are they the same?
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Old 06-10-2008, 05:21 PM   #107
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I can't remember what your stand is on that tired old issue. However, those who believe it is commandment have to admit commandments change, don't they.
Wrong. The Law of Moses is still in effect.
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Wrong. The Law of Moses is still in effect.
Wait. You don't think commandments change?
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Wait. You don't think commandments change?
Jay, is the Law of Moses really still in effect?
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Old 06-10-2008, 05:25 PM   #110
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I've already addressed all of this and don't really have the desire to Reader's Digest them for you.
Sorry, but I went through the thread and I didn't see anything responsive. I assume you simply do not wish to address my points. Fair enough.

But don't try to fool me into thinking you already did (even before I posted them).
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