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Or assume the opposite, that it is purely a choice. Once still has to decide the moral question of whether you recognize it as a legitimate desire. I think you are correct that as more people view it as immutable they are also more likely to view it as moral (or at least not immoral) but I think that is interesting too because this would appear to be an appeal more to sympathy than reason, which is not at all illegitimate, but just interesting.
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Free love was a social movement countering the repressive, and hypocritical mores of the vestiges of Victorian objectification of sexual activities. It was inherently counter-cultural. And it celebrated its non-conformity freely by rejecting marriage, as a cultural norm.
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Well put. And is it an imperative to approve of a desire becasue it is immutable? I don't think so. Apparently SU does. I think his position is inherently unworkable.
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Most find these terms unfavorable. In political terms, they are the only true commodities of the marketplace. If you don't have power and/or money, you're broke and meaningless. So the power groups have determined this is their road to greater power, money and control. Surely, we are old and mature here to not find any political movement to be about anything else.
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Money and power? Sure. ALso romatnic love and intimacy, per SU.
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I agree with Adam that the LDS church should abandon marriage altogether and to create "sealings" which do not require governmental approval. If sealed couples desire governmental approval, let them do that.
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No, he doesn't really think that. He is just lashing out wildly in his wrath. He also wants it to be all about this single point because it is easy ground to defend. That is why he didn't address my point other than to call me names (which I think DDD would agree is just foreplay).
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Gays now have acceptability; they have credibility. The marriage is about increased power and money. Where are gays excluded outside of orthodox religious groups? No where. If Seattle would admit the truth, the movement is about money and power, I'd respect him for that. It makes no sense to divide up government spoils based on how or with whom you have sex.
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