02-02-2009, 09:20 PM | #91 | |
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And again, who are you to know what God's terms are? Could it be that God actually wants us to know the truth about the priesthood ban?
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02-02-2009, 09:26 PM | #92 | |
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Lazy and unsatisfying. Right. Sheer speculation and who cares. The whole enterprise entails making stuff up. But with all the counterfeit Gospels written throught the ages, the fake Pauline letters, not to mention the deliberate sleights of hand on authorship and dates of composition of the real Gospels, why do you find deliberate fraud so hard to accept? What's harder to believe, Joseph's stories or that he was a fraudster? What's the most logical conclusion to be drawn from the "Book of Abraham" scrolls, based on your personal human experience? I think if MikeWaters wasn't born into Mormonism and so personally invested in it he'd be out front poking fun of it.
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02-02-2009, 09:33 PM | #93 | |
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If you're suggesting that God intends it to be revealed through scholarship, I'm going to really disagree with you on that.
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Yowza.
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02-03-2009, 02:17 AM | #96 | |
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Obviously taking this conversation with you seriously was a mistake. My bad.
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02-03-2009, 01:59 PM | #97 | |
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You have to admit, this one was a whopper: "I'm using my powers of reason to infer that if he wanted us to know that, he would reveal it. Since he hasn't, I'm left with the conclusion that he doesn't." I am still shaking my head over that one. It is self-serving logic like this that makes me question your intellectual honesty sometimes. Once again, what makes you think that he hasn't revealed the truth behind the ban to individuals through a combination of study and promptings? How do you know he hasn't provided wisdom and comfort to thousands of people to whom this is a significant issue (AA members as the most obvious example)? Yet again you condemn or deny the possibility of individual thought and inspiration that is not fully in line with your ultra-orthodox views.
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02-03-2009, 03:29 PM | #98 | |
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Personally, I think the "sit back and wait for God to reveal knowledge" perspective is damaging to the search for truth, but I guess that's just me. I'd always thought God wanted us to seek knowledge through scholarship. A worldview that discourages scholarship and learning is distasteful to me.
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Major props for responding to a quote referencing "the Dude" with a comment about nihilists.
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