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Because our civil liberties are worth more than that and the torture of the citizen has not proved to be reliable.
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I think the ticking-time-bomb scenario is largely contrived. If there were conclusive proof that torturing (definition is open) someone would immediately save one million lives, then I'd be hard pressed to say "no, don't do it."
But this is almost certainly a purely hypothetical situation. I don't think there's a concrete example that even approximates it. Usually the lines are very broad and very gray.
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Outside of movies, the ticking time bomb doesn't exist.
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And the ticking bomb hypo is one on which many people base their opinion, pro or con, i.e. McCain... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10019179...wsweek/page/2/ "Those who argue the necessity of some abuses raise an important dilemma as their most compelling rationale: the ticking-time-bomb scenario. What do we do if we capture a terrorist who we have sound reasons to believe possesses specific knowledge of an imminent terrorist attack?" |
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Sure, there are many. Namely those that we as a nation do not find to be inalienable. Are you arguing that torturing people does not violate any inalienable rights that we, as a nation in our most solemn documents, have stated apply to all men as equals upon birth?
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My only assertion in this thread is that McVeigh ought to have (and did get) rights that foreign members of al-Qaeda ought not (and would not) get, by virtue of his citizenship. It doesn't not matter that the end result of their horrible acts are the same. Citizenship means something.
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You just relish this martyr persona, don't you?
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