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That is not my contention. My contention is that I would like to seem them doing it more, and specifically helping along the things I mentioned.
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If they did, I think a man like Hinckley would've addressed them.
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And to state "a man like Hinckley would've addressed them," is not an argument. He's not a polyglot and served his mission in England, so he may not be sensitive to that issue, no mattter how a good a man he is. I'm certain there are a myriad of other culturally-related issues which our leaders ignore out of ignorance, not out of good sentiments.
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And nobody is disputing that these issues don't rank high on the list of the GAs. What I am saying is that they SHOULD rank high on their list. |
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And I simply don't understand how they "remain on the outside looking inside." My goodness, the talks are translated on the fly into two dozen different languages or more, and sent on the airwaves across the world. And the words are put out in print in two dozen more. I fail to see how anyone in this church is standing on the outside with respect to language. That said, I do fully expect someday to have a talk delivered in a language other than English. The quorums will naturally diversify themselves as the church grows, and sooner or later a non-English-speaker will be given a chance to speak. Quote:
Let's not forget that all the Quorums of 70 don't live in the Wasatch Front. Most of them live in the countries or regions where they serve, and work directly with the very "indigenous" people they serve. Some of them even speak the language. A support staff of approximately 300 mission presidents further support the cultural effort. A world culturally ignorant church we are not. Quote:
I just take issue with this idea that the global church is not already "meaningfully involved" in its own administration. Or, that having a racially diverse leadership would meaningfully change the way things are currently run.
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I think it is desirable ... just not for the reasons you're saying. I'm not going to see the first black apostle called and think, "Oh good! Now the blacks will know we care about them!" The black members of the church should already know and feel that.
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I find it desirable because we are a church that has more members outside of the United States than in it and yet it is not close to even reflecting that in church leadership. Hopefully, our top leadership of the church will reflect that in the near future. It will take time. And yes, I think it is vital that we have members of the quorum from different regions all over the world. Have an apostle or a general authority from Japan, South Africa, Sweden, Samoa, Ecuador, etc. will have great influence in their countries and in those regions. They will bring to the table much more (in a knowledge of its country's history, culture, etc.) than someone not from that area. I truly believe the church will grow faster and grow stronger when we have people of influence from those regions in higher levels of church positions. President Hinckley is a remarkable man and the church has seen change under his leadership. Here is hoping that it will continue and improve over the next 25 years. |
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In addition, I don't deny that a Chinaman will know more about what it's like to be Chinese than an American who is born and raised in America, and simply studies China--or even lives there for a while. I guess it boils down to two issues: 1. The idea that racial diversity leads to de facto better decisions as a church. Or its corollary: that the white man is incapable of comprehending enough about other cultures to properly administrate their circumstances. 2. The idea that priesthood callings should be extended as part of an effort to "send a message." I principally disagree with both of those. I say simply: get the right man. Someday the right man will be a non-white. (Just recently the right man was a non-American, and I cheered it!) But he will be selected because he is the man God wants, not because his skin color "sends a message."
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