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I understand that it's terrible that civilians die in war and my friend doesn't want that to happen, but he'd like to be able to defend himself and his fellow soldiers if he gets deployed once again (and he is willing to go again if necessary).
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04-26-2007, 04:15 PM | #22 | |
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World War II was treated by politicians as a war. They knew that the threat of Nazi Germany was real and that it had to be stopped. Politicians in World War I did the same. Contrast that with the politicians today.
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And I'm not arguing with that. The KneeJerks on this board (and others) think I hold Bush guiltless ... I don't. But I'll always stop short of making him the bad guy, which is where liberals simply go too far. It's akin to blaming the victims (thus my analogy, which was also apparently lost on them).
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It isn't even debatable that those most responsible for the violence in Iraq are those who are shooting each other and the American troops (and not all of them are terrorists like you want to argue). But we knew they were there before we went in, we knew what would happen if we removed Sadaam (and if we didn't, it is appalling), and we had no plan for handling the situation. The situation is much worse now than it needed to be (possibly beyond repair), and the blame for that fact rests on the shoulders of Bush and his administration. |
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Finally, I am with you in saying that the best solution, in a perfect world, would be a multi-decade heavy presence in Iraq that would help turn into a functioning democracy. But the world is no perfect, and I KNOW that the political will necessary is not there to do what is in the super-long term interest of the United States. We also may not be able to afford it. |
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Let me ask you this? Since when has forcible occupation by a superpower ever been a solution for anything? These are not aboriginies like Caesar found in Gaul, or American settlers found in our continent. It's a culture highly developed for better or worse. We can't impose righteousness and liberty on them.
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Well, the terrorists want to impose their brand of righteousness and liberty on them. If the US withdraws, that gives them more courage to do so.
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They're essentially murdering their own. We can't straighten that mess out. It's unfortunate we've contributed to it, and to the extent there may be a hell I think that GWB and Cheney may have some explaining to do to the judge.
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