04-11-2007, 10:39 PM | #31 |
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Apparently the "intellectuals" have to make sure you're being "serious" before they grace you with the privilege of their knowledge.
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04-11-2007, 11:59 PM | #32 |
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One thing I noticed about alternate voicing is the loss of leadership. Oh darn.
It's like my wife pointed out to me about disfellowshipping. You mean you can't hold a calling and you can't pray or give talks. Wah, I want that calling.
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04-12-2007, 12:07 AM | #33 |
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I just wanted to mention the following: I like Indy's comments. I think they are often insightful in both the sports category and the religion category. I think insightful intelligent conservative voices (I definitely think Indy fits in that group) are important in terms of the board vitality. Also, I like SIEQ posts as well. I think he is bright and often brings up very interesting topics.
If I could suggest one thing in general it would be that all of us try to give each other's arguments the most charitable reading possible (sorry if that sounded soap-boxish). Last edited by pelagius; 04-12-2007 at 08:20 AM. |
04-12-2007, 12:09 AM | #34 |
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This is part of the manipulation and the self-victimization, IMHO. Show me the evidence of sincere alternate voicers that are being kept down by the church leadership man.
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How much are you in contact with leadership? I, as everybody else does, have many friends who are leaders. They look for certain minimal qualifications, and if you are outspoken, don't appear to be one of the group, you will not be considered. It's not a victimization but a realization that you are not longer a company man.
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I'm not threatened by you (your ego indulgence, though, is highly amusing). I do know your methods and the fact that you have tried to make me out as the bad guy even as you refuse to engage the issues. Though you deny it, you bully people and generally make a stink of things. This exchange with you, which started with your usual bait, is more of the same. I could ask you why you feel the need to ask for definitions when reading the articles would give you the grist for discussion? How about giving your definition for a change instead of sitting back and acting smug, then playing the victim when you are called on it? The "come hither my darling" question that you inevitably ask is worn out, predictable, and unproductive. If you would simply read the articles and then engage them you would have little criticism from me. But time after time you don't do that. And yet I'm the bad guy here...interesting.
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thanks for posting the thread; it's been a long time since I last read those talks.
It would be nice if one or two of the apostles could sponsor and meet with groups of persons loyal to the Church to give direction regarding intellectual matters so that we develop a loyal group for the Church.
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The Strengthening the Members Committee, which peruses academic publications looking for things to red line and to send to Stake Presidents for potential discipline has helped perpetuate the animosities. How shocking it would be if they green lined some point in somebody's article and let the author know that someone in leadership liked it? The only time intellectuals hear from leaders regarding their work is in negative situations. I'd like to see that change.
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Wouldn't that be nice for a change.
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IMO, the church would take a lot of the wind out of these intellectuals' sails if they opened their records and archives to independent researchers and allowed respectable scholars to find and publish what they may; and if they avoided tracking potential malcontents in anticipation of heretical opinions or publications.
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