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The records that comprise the BOM were for over 1,000 years in the hands of men entrusted by God to preserve them until their compilation by Mormon/Moroni. There are no questions about the origin of the "source documents". There are no questions over translation issues. There are no questions over theological malfeasance on the part of those that wrote, translated or transcribed the records. There may be a far amount of doctrinal redundancy between the Bible and the BOM, but the Bible's history is so questionable in so many circumstances that it's difficult to trust much of what is said in there in the absence of the substantiation provided by the BOM. The reverse of that is NOT the case. |
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The records that comprise the BOM were for over 1,000 years in the hands of men entrusted by God to preserve them until their compilation by Mormon/Moroni. There are no questions about the origin of the "source documents". There are no questions over translation issues. There are no questions over theological malfeasance on the part of those that wrote, translated or transcribed the records. There may be a fair amount of doctrinal redundancy between the Bible and the BOM, but the Bible's history is so questionable in so many circumstances that it's difficult to trust much of what is said in there in the absence of the substantiation provided by the BOM. The reverse of that is NOT the case. |
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However, perhaps we are not clear as to the "translation" method of the prophet. It is clear to me that JS did not academically translate along traditional methods. Because of that, I do not know phenomenally how it functioned. Did it act upon his subconscious triggering subconsicous understandings and thereby providing a theologically consistent document, but not necessarily providing the only translation possible?
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Given the presumption that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, the mechanics and particulars of the translation are irrelevant. If Joseph Smith was truly a prophet of God and was truly inspired, do you think God would have let him put down anything that was that off the mark?
What I find interesting is the number of people that claim they believe, while at the same time essentially denying or downplaying as much of what Joseph Smith did or said in his lifetime as having anything to do with prophetic powers or gifts of the Spriit (not necessarily aimed at you, Archaea). It's my opinion that too many people get caught up in the minutae of things, of which they have a very incomplete knowledge base to build upon to begin with, and thereby lose sight of the fact that God demands that we live by faith (not having a perfect knowledge of things) and we can know of their truthfulness by personal application and personal revelation. http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/32/21,26,29,34-35#21 |
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I believe God allows a lot of error to reach us. It is important that our minds sift through it and apply it faithfully but carefully.
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What's the purpose of a prophet if what he relates in the guise of the mind and will of the Lord is in reality some nonsignificant proportion less than that?
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That's what I want to figure out. There could be a purpose to it.
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