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Wait, I thought it was about stopping gays from forcing their deviant lifestyle into the mainstream?
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11-06-2008, 06:26 PM | #112 | |
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I think the experience of most Bishops is that if they previously thought that being gay was a "lifestyle choice", after members who are gay tell them about their story, they change their mind. They realize that being gay is the last thing these members would ever choose. |
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And yes, you would do well to read up on the church's latest position. They have backed away from the "gay by choice" line of thinking.
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11-06-2008, 06:37 PM | #114 |
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For those who insist this is a choice, I always ask them to tell me about when they decided to be straight.
[Facetious interlude] For me, the answer is easy: it was when Stephen Boyd got to tear the antibodies off of Raquel Welch's scuba suit in Fantastic Voyage. And no, it wasn't Stephen Boyd who stirred my manhood, although [drifting farther off topic here] he wrote later that when, as Messala in Ben-Hur, he met Charlton Heston in the armory, he played the scene as a gay man stoked with desire. When you watch the scene with that explanation in mind, it's both creepy and hilarious, as Heston was clueless. Back to the point, I think the Church has pretty much accepted the idea that homosexuality, at least in most cases, is not a choice, although the behavior is. Am I mistaken? |
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Talk about unpersuasive. Of all the arguments for gay-from-birth, this is the least convincing. Why does a man choose to engage in adultery? or theft? or murder? You might do well to read up on it as well. I don't want to answer for cougarobgon, but there's a big semantical difference between having the weakness of SSA, and "being" gay for the purposes of normalization. I know you don't see it that way, but it's consistent with the church's position.
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There is nothing analogous between sexual orientation and adultery, theft or murder. What the hell are you talking about? That makes no sense.
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I don't care if you agree with me. Why is it nonsense? Just because you say so?
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