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BarbaraGordon · 03-12-2008, 03:40 AM

Have you guys been following the remarks from Geraldine Ferraro? She's a friend and supporter of Ms. Clinton, and has been trying to explain why the DNC should make sure she gets the nomination.

This has been going on for a couple of weeks now. She keeps saying that Obama is only still in the race because he's black. Here's a quote from this weekend:

"I think what America feels about a woman becoming president takes a very secondary place to Obama's campaign - to a kind of campaign that it would be hard for anyone to run against," she said. "For one thing, you have the press, which has been uniquely hard on her. It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her. The others have gotten caught up in the Obama campaign.

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," she continued. "And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

Here's a (long) audio clip from February. Similar remarks start at the 4.00 mark:

As you can imagine, these remarks resulted in some, um, criticism. So she was asked today what she thinks about the negative publicity:

"Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls [the Obama] campaign down and says, 'Let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world,' you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up," she told the Daily Breeze of Torrance, California. "Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white."

You know, if I were Hillary I would ask this woman to stop talking. Like now.

YOhio · 03-12-2008, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

You know, if I were Hillary I would ask this woman to stop talking. Like now.

I would like Ms. Ferraro to expound on her views. She should definitely keep talking and bring this race v. gender issue to the forefront of the Democratic nomination discussion. I'd also like to get Hillary's opinion on this. Geraldine, you go girl!

myboynoah · 03-12-2008, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by YOhio

I would like Ms. Ferraro to expound on her views. She should definitely keep talking and bring this race v. gender issue to the forefront of the Democratic nomination discussion. I'd also like to get Hillary's opinion on this. Geraldine, you go girl!

Yes, it's the elephant in the room. Only after open and vigorous debate can issues like this be resolved to the benefit of all. I've rarely seen such courage among Dems, but this is inspiring.

She is the change we've been waiting for.

SeattleUte · 03-12-2008, 04:31 AM

Maybe she's addled, insipient Alzeimer's or something. Seriously.

FMCoug · 03-12-2008, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by myboynoah

Yes, it's the elephant in the room. Only after open and vigorous debate can issues like this be resolved to the benefit of all. I've rarely seen such courage among Dems, but this is inspiring.

She is the change we've been waiting for.

Someone said that if there is anyone who can figure out a way to not win the White House back after GWB, it is the Democratic party.

LOL.

BarbaraGordon · 03-12-2008, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by YOhio

I'd also like to get Hillary's opinion on this. Geraldine, you go girl!

Hillary has said she is proud to have run an issues-based campaign and it is "regrettable" that her supporters' comments might have taken a personal turn against Senator Obama, who is probably not really a Muslim and is actually only half black.

myboynoah · 03-12-2008, 02:09 PM

I think what Ferraro is trying to say is that Obama is being afforded special treatment that a white woman is not. Interesting by-product of the Dem party pandering to special interest politics: What happens when your special interests collide?

The question I have is whether or not there is a significant undercurrent of this sentiment within the party, particularly among women. We've always thought that a fracturing of the party would come from disaffected Obama supporters (a la Cali) should Clinton get the nomination. Is there now similar sentiment going the other way?

All I can say is, "Geraldine, you go girl!"

BarbaraGordon · 03-12-2008, 02:13 PM

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Is there now similar sentiment going the other way?

Based on the boards, it's huge. They truly feel Hillary has been mistreated, and further that the nomination has literally been stolen from her through a series of technicalities (Michigan/Florida), media interference (deliberately promoting Obama), and right-wing conspiracy (Republicans re-registering).

Hell hath no fury? These women (and I suppose some men, too) swear they'll sit out November or vote McCain rather than vote Obama.

Clark Addison · 03-12-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Based on the boards, it's huge. They truly feel Hillary has been mistreated, and further that the nomination has literally been stolen from her through a series of technicalities (Michigan/Florida), media interference (deliberately promoting Obama), and right-wing conspiracy (Republicans re-registering).

Hell hath no fury? These women (and I suppose some men, too) swear they'll sit out November or vote McCain rather than vote Obama.

I've seen some of this too, and it really surprises me. Hillary, and many of her supporters, seem to feel that she is entitled to the nomination for some reason. That she deserves it more than Obama.

YOhio · 03-12-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Based on the boards, it's huge. They truly feel Hillary has been mistreated, and further that the nomination has literally been stolen from her through a series of technicalities (Michigan/Florida), media interference (deliberately promoting Obama), and right-wing conspiracy (Republicans re-registering).

Hell hath no fury? These women (and I suppose some men, too) swear they'll sit out November or vote McCain rather than vote Obama.

IMO, that's just bluster from people caught up in the emotion of a campaign. When it comes down to it, few of them will make good on their promise to sit it out or vote for the other party.

03-12-2008, 03:40 AM	#1
BarbaraGordon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Gotham City Posts: 7,157	With friends like these... Have you guys been following the remarks from Geraldine Ferraro? She's a friend and supporter of Ms. Clinton, and has been trying to explain why the DNC should make sure she gets the nomination. This has been going on for a couple of weeks now. She keeps saying that Obama is only still in the race because he's black. Here's a quote from this weekend: "I think what America feels about a woman becoming president takes a very secondary place to Obama's campaign - to a kind of campaign that it would be hard for anyone to run against," she said. "For one thing, you have the press, which has been uniquely hard on her. It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her. The others have gotten caught up in the Obama campaign. "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," she continued. "And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept." Here's a (long) audio clip from February. Similar remarks start at the 4.00 mark: As you can imagine, these remarks resulted in some, um, criticism. So she was asked today what she thinks about the negative publicity: "Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls [the Obama] campaign down and says, 'Let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world,' you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up," she told the Daily Breeze of Torrance, California. "Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white." You know, if I were Hillary I would ask this woman to stop talking. Like now.

03-12-2008, 04:31 AM	#4
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	Maybe she's addled, insipient Alzeimer's or something. Seriously. __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster

03-12-2008, 02:09 PM	#7
myboynoah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Memphis freakin' Tennessee!!!!! Posts: 4,530	I think what Ferraro is trying to say is that Obama is being afforded special treatment that a white woman is not. Interesting by-product of the Dem party pandering to special interest politics: What happens when your special interests collide? The question I have is whether or not there is a significant undercurrent of this sentiment within the party, particularly among women. We've always thought that a fracturing of the party would come from disaffected Obama supporters (a la Cali) should Clinton get the nomination. Is there now similar sentiment going the other way? All I can say is, "Geraldine, you go girl!" __________________ Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!! Religion rises inevitably from our apprehension of our own death. To give meaning to meaninglessness is the endless quest of all religion. When death becomes the center of our consciousness, then religion authentically begins. Of all religions that I know, the one that most vehemently and persuasively defies and denies the reality of death is the original Mormonism of the Prophet, Seer and Revelator, Joseph Smith.