Since more Bush detractors reside

[BYU71]

over here, perhaps I can get more of a response to my question on this site.


http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=3438148

[woot]

You're conflating two very different questions. It almost seems as if you're trying to credit Bush with all the progress you mention. Progress has continued in spite of Bush's best efforts, not because of them.

As for Bush, the answers you received on CB are a pretty good start, which was quite surprising. If CB, no less, thinks Bush screwed up, he must have really screwed up.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by woot

You're conflating two very different questions. It almost seems as if you're trying to credit Bush with all the progress you mention. Progress has continued in spite of Bush's best efforts, not because of them.

As for Bush, the answers you received on CB are a pretty good start, which was quite surprising. If CB, no less, thinks Bush screwed up, he must have really screwed up.

The CB answers were we have run up too much debt. That really isn't a democrat issue is it. That is a failing of the republican congress. Shame on them for getting bloated with power and becoming like democrats or even not democrats, but like politicians.

"It almost seems" is your interpretation of what I am trying to do. What I am trying to do is point out the country isn't in as bad a shape as everyone seems to think it is. If Bush has a problem it is that he is a lousy communicater, but then once you lose your own constituencies backing, you become a lousy communicator. His constituency is so fractured he had no hope of holding it together.

What I am saying is when history looks back in context of everything, I think he will get much higher marks than he is now receiving.

God forbid the dems get in and negotiate us right into submission with the terrorists states, he might eventually look like a great President.

[woot]

Originally Posted by BYU71

The CB answers were we have run up too much debt. That really isn't a democrat issue is it. That is a failing of the republican congress. Shame on them for getting bloated with power and becoming like democrats or even not democrats, but like politicians.

"It almost seems" is your interpretation of what I am trying to do. What I am trying to do is point out the country isn't in as bad a shape as everyone seems to think it is. If Bush has a problem it is that he is a lousy communicater, but then once you lose your own constituencies backing, you become a lousy communicator. His constituency is so fractured he had no hope of holding it together.

What I am saying is when history looks back in context of everything, I think he will get much higher marks than he is now receiving.

God forbid the dems get in and negotiate us right into submission with the terrorists states, he might eventually look like a great President.

That's wishful thinking. Any historian that says "America was a nicer place to live during his presidency than it was in the 1950s so he must not have been that bad" is a terrible historian. That he sucks at communicating is undeniable even among the 32%ers, so that has become the excuse for his failures. It's just not true.

It's also hilarious that you insist that his prodigal spending makes him like a democrat. A quick bit of research would educate you on which party is responsible for more of the national debt, even if we ignore Bush's outrageous contributions.

Don't try to blame it congress, either. I don't recall any bill he's ever vetoed in which the reasoning was financial. He just doesn't care about that. He vetoes things if they violate his religious beliefs or if they don't contain whatever unrelated bit of his agenda he insisted on, or in one instance because of simple partisan hackery.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by woot

It's also hilarious that you insist that his prodigal spending makes him like a democrat. A quick bit of research would educate you on which party is responsible for more of the national debt, even if we ignore Bush's outrageous contributions.

I think that fiscal conservatives have lost the war and just don't know it yet. I don't think you can be fiscally conservative and get elected any more. Bush would have lost in a landslide had he not taken up the cause of a prescription drug benefit.

The only real difference I can discern between Republicans and Democrats on finances is that Republicans aren't willing to raise taxes to pay for their spending habits. Democrats will spend even more, but they will also raise taxes. The Republicans have it right in theory, that you can cut taxes and have more money come in, but they don't have the discipline to control spending so its just a theory.

No one believes in limited government. We are just arguing at the margins about how big it should be while fiscal conservatives whistle in the dark about the cost of entitlements.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

I think that fiscal conservatives have lost the war and just don't know it yet. I don't think you can be fiscally conservative and get elected any more. Bush would have lost in a landslide had he not taken up the cause of a prescription drug benefit.

The only real difference I can discern between Republicans and Democrats on finances is that Republicans aren't willing to raise taxes to pay for their spending habits. Democrats will spend even more, but they will also raise taxes. The Republicans have it right in theory, that you can cut taxes and have more money come in, but they don't have the discipline to control spending so its just a theory.

No one believes in limited government. We are just arguing at the margins about how big it should be while fiscal conservatives whistle in the dark about the cost of entitlements.

Sadly, I think you are right. When cuts in the rate of growth are sold as actual, real cuts in spending, we've lost the battle.

[Flystripper]

Originally Posted by BYU71

over here, perhaps I can get more of a response to my question on this site.


http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=3438148

Interesting thoughts. I don't have much to add on this topic but I wanted to take this opportunity to congratulate your avatar on her restored smile.