the stake president in my parents ward had an interesting announcement

[MikeWaters]

It would be interesting if the next prophet came forward and told us that the church and its members were under condemnation--temples empty, spirituality neglected, too wordly and material, not enough service, etc.

We could use a good stirring up.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

It would be interesting if the next prophet came forward and told us that the church and its members were under condemnation--temples empty, spirituality neglected, too wordly and material, not enough service, etc.

We could use a good stirring up.

Does that make you a mullah?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

I wonder why miracles seem to be in short supply, why the dead rise not, and why our retention is not as good as it should. Perhaps we have become a wicked and perverse generation.

Well, if we have members claiming the age of innovation and revelation is over, you might have your answer right there.

[YOhio]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

It would be interesting if the next prophet came forward and told us that the church and its members were under condemnation--temples empty, spirituality neglected, too wordly and material, not enough service, etc.

We could use a good stirring up.

I could see a President Packer taking that approach.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Does that make you a mullah?

I like change.

Wanting a stirring up means I am not a conservative. I'm a liberal. Change = good.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Well, if we have members claiming the age of innovation and revelation is over, you might have your answer right there.

I hope they're not over, but they seem to be suspended or delayed. Yes inspiration occurs at the administrative level, but the grand miracles are not occurring as the reportedly were in years gone by.

If Christ is appearing, we are so cowardly we do not declare it. Imagine if Peter and Paul had been ashamed to declare their visions.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Originally Posted by Archaea

If our leaders receive little or no revelation, and miracles cease, which they may have, I'd lay it on the feet of the general membership, not the leadership.

If we are unworthy to receive revelation, it will not be given. Perhaps the administrators we have are in such a fashion, because we deserve no better.

I wonder why miracles seem to be in short supply, why the dead rise not, and why our retention is not as good as it should. Perhaps we have become a wicked and perverse generation.

I'll go part way with you on this, but I see little correlation between righteousness and new revelation in the scriptures. Often it was when the people were the most wicked that prophets rose up and declared things that we now consider scripture. Jeremiah, Habakuk, Lehi and Nephi (the brothers) all came forth in times of severe wickedness with what would later become parts of the Bible and BoM. Of course, those writings and words probably didn't have the authoritative power that they would have centuries later as written scripture. More often than not, scripture is established long after it has been written. Things like sections of the D&C are more the exception than the rule. If the Church were to select one of John Taylor's sermons and add it to the D&C 130 years after the fact, that would be in accord with how many inspired documents have been cannonized.

As for miracles not happening because of wickedness or a lack of faith, that is fairly well supported, but again, there are exceptions.

The "you can't share your revelatory experiences" mumbo jumbo isn't well supported in scripture either. I suspect we've swerved a little off the path in this area.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ

I'll go part way with you on this, but I see little correlation between righteousness and new revelation in the scriptures. Often it was when the people were the most wicked that prophets rose up and declared things that we now consider scripture. Jeremiah, Habakuk, Lehi and Nephi (the brothers) all came forth with what would later become parts of the Bible and BoM. Of course, those writings and words probably didn't have the authoritative power that they would have centuries later as written scripture. More often than not, scripture is established long after it has been written. Things like sections of the D&C are more the exception than the rule.

As for miracles not happening because of wickedness or a lack of faith, that is fairly well supported, but again, there are exceptions.

You have a valid point about scripture. Most scripture is a call to repentance by prophets, frequenlty recorded much later than when it was given.